Twin charge kit???
source a turbo, build a manifold, exhaust downpipe,intake pipes,
boost controller, some lines for the oil, larger injectors, maybe a larger IC, if someone knew a good welder and could source an old MCS stock header, you could achieve this,
does anybody know a production vehicle with a Garret GT28R ball-bearing turbo fitted OEM????
is this possible can anybody see any potential building problems????
I would love to tackle this.

 

Hubie did
the SPI kit

 

Are you kidding me? Any one of those things could take months to research, the turbo, the manifold, the downpipe, intake pipes, the IC, etc. and you're asking if we see any potential problems?

I suppose you could copy exactly one of the twincharge kits out there, but then you'll still have a bunch of unknowns. It might be cheaper, it might not be.

 

Originally Posted by Profpatpending
is this possible can anybody see any potential problems????



This must be some kind of a joke or he has not discovered the search button.

John

 

no this aint a joke I was asking a question if anybody besides the obvious had built their own twincharge kit?
and if it was worth it and how they did it,
why do you have to start pissing on me straight away
its a wonder people even ask questions here anymore, if that is the attitude.
forget about it, sorry I even asked.

 

*there have been problems with the twin charge kits... and those are the pre-made ones... so there are people that dont like em

 

Goes a long way to explain why there isn't the traffic and good threads there used to be.

More punk than knowledge showing lately.

 

I fully understand the problems associated with twincharging my car from a reliability stance,
my question was from a manufacturing stance,
has anybody experienced problems in building their own kit????

 

what did I do wrong I only asked a question
trying to gain some knowledge abot this concept and im immediatly shot down with smart remarks.

 

In reality it shouldnt be that hard. I do not believe there are any current production vehicle uses the garrett gt28 turbo. Having somebody amke the pipes should not be that hard but it would probably get pricey. There would have to be a lot of bends involved. You would then have to fabricate and manifold and a downpipe which again can get pricey. Then there is the engine management, while the AFC works well and does its job there are better alternatives out there. You would have to source the injectors which shouldnt be too hard considering there are a couple of threads here that have found places that sell them. All in all it is possible and shouldnt be too difficult just very time and money consuming.

 

It can be done. I will talk more when the install is finished!!!

 

Having seen the testing and building of Hubie's SPI kit I can say it is a LOT of work, research and know how. It is not an easy task. Not to say it can't be done but honestly unless you're an uber-genious a few classes short from being a brain surgean (*cough*Hubie*cough*) or have a lot of money to blow I don't know if it would be worth time. There is so much background that has gone in to this type of thing, not just from Hubie but from others that have attempted it. They've figured out the kinks already. It would be better to learn from someone else then to start from scratch. This type of thing has been perfected by people who care about the kits and the drivers are trying to give more than just a "quick fix" pre-made kit.
Amen

 

nice manifold... wish i could have one of those

 

this is all you have to do : buy some parts: turbo, fuel management, injectors, for example; make some parts: (ex. manifold, downpipe, intake tubes, brackets, etc.); tweak some parts: intake runners, exhaust system, oil and water connections; deal with some kinks: upstream MAP, too large boost; tune it and go.

 

sounds easy enough to me.

i'll do that this weekend.

 

Sure you can do the upgrade to twin charge yourself. It will take some time, money, and headaches. Might be fun though.

(Hubie) SPI have done it and Eric at Helix13 has done it (and is working on a turbo only minus supercharger MCS upgrade)

See
http://helix13.com/html/products/pro...ew.php?p=6&h=m
TurboKompressor kit for $4800 (parts only) add 10-11 hours installation available at Webbmotorsports.com and Helix13.com
http://store.webbmotorsports.com/ind...roducts_id=135
or
http://detroittuned.com/products/ind...20050324230623
SPI TwinCharger kit for $5850, installation through detroittuned.com

Give any of these vendors a call to find out of potential problems making your own version. Good luck.

 

Is SPi's kit only installed at detroittuned? I thought you could order it? If not, does the price include installation?

 

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/turbo_tech/

Everything is possible, but I've noticed something moving from the Honda world, to the Mini world.

There is a saying "Necessity is the mother of all invention". I've noticed that the owners of Minis tend to have a little bit more $$$ in their pocket than most do when they buy a Honda as their project. This in my opinion leads to less invention and more "Are you kidding me? Any one of those things could take months to research, the turbo, the manifold, the downpipe, intake pipes, the IC, etc. and you're asking if we see any potential problems?".

Granted the Mini application of a junkyard turbo would be a bit more complex than just a turbo aplication, but it is by no means impossible. Another possibility that I have yet to see (or perhaps I just missed) is a removal of the SC, and an addition of a single turbo set-up. There are plenty of guys pushing 400hp with a large single turbo on 1.6L, and if the bottom end is as tough as I've heard...our 1.6L would push an easy 275hp to the wheels on a turbo only setup.

Either way...don't be afraid to be a poineer, just realize that it might cost you an engine or two

 

I think that's wrong. Most honda guys aren't pioneers. They're buying off the shelf kits that the turbo manufacturers or whoever put together for them(us). The honda guys that are pioneers dump craploads of money into their cars in tunershops to put together something good (Hubie et al.)

 

i know someone that is dooing a turbo convertion on their cooper s right now

its a bigger turbo than the twincharged kit and from the looks of it it will be a premium setup and not cheap at all

using all the top of the line products

and ditching the supercharger


so im excited to see what they come up with

everything will be built from scratch and no off the shelf parts, from the look of it so far its not for the faint of heart

 

Thats a good lookin motor...that car should be fun.

DOOOOSSSHHH

or is it ppppppppshhhhhhhhhhhh?

 

Brilliant well done you are the very person I was looking for,
I am so glad someone is trying this for themselves,
thanks to all for their input,
will you share some info like what model turbo you are using??

 

This made me laugh. Because this scenario is possibly one of my wife's biggest fears! That is, finding I've yanked my engine out. And unlike you, I do not know what i'm doing.

Ken

 

I built my own turbo kit for my miata. In the end it was cheaper dollar wise, but it cost. It took a long time, lots of research, lots of fabricating. This was involving three other people, including my father, a mechanic with a bit of fabrication exp. as well. It was also a strain on my marriage.

The end result was quite fast, but anytime you double to power of something, you are going to see problems somewhere. For the miata, it was the transmission. And the fact that you always had to watch stuff, gauges, etc.

It had it's fun moments, but i would not do it again, for a lot of reasons. So, i would not highly recommend rolling your own.

YMMV.

-jac

 

Perhaps now with the Honda tuning scene flooded by people paying for most of their upgrades...but there are still a ton of Honda guys that piece together junkyard turbos, brake kits from other Hondas/Acuras, build frankensteins (LS/Vtec, or B16/B18c5). Granted there are a lot of Honda guys that pay for shop work, but I would wager that it's not the shops that did most of the innovation in the early days of Honda tuning.

Kentiki,

For what it's worth my first time working on a car was a solo clutch swap. I've found over the years that cars are (for the most part) put together pretty simply, and if you pay close attention when taking something apart...you can almost always put it back together