There's no price on the site?

 

I'm glad to see more companies are expanding into making headers for the MINI community. Making for more options and more choice for the buyer

 

I can't say that I agree. How many low to mid quality headers of similar design do we need on the market?

Of course, any time I see a cheap looking collector I keep moving...

 

Those look NICE
Now what's the price
What about numbers? Randy WEBB have you tested this one??

Earl

 

I talked to Alta before going with Milltek, and this product is still not ready for production yet. As of mid-december, they only had prototypes, which were still in testing.

 

. ............. yawnnnnn.........

 

Onasled:

Is it worth getting the header heatcoated? Where in CT???

 

Well I take it since they are on the website the testing faze is over as I e-mailed them and this is what I got in return from them:

Catless will always make more HP. How much is the question. The Catless system had the benefit of both POWER and Cost. Removing the Cat from the part makes it about $100 less. Our retail prices are not something we have released yet. But we will be very competitive with the others. We make an O2 SIM for a couple of other cars and we will have one for the mini cooper when our header is released. It tricks the ECU into thinking there is a cat and no CEL. The only downfall to the catless is noise ( a little louder) and its for off-road use only.

 

I'm no expert when it comes to engines but I like to see more people work the product and see what they can come up with.

 

NiCE polish job tho!~

 

The price is a little up in the air right now. But Mid-priced is the best way to put it. We will not be the most expensive but we will not be the least expensive.

As far as the collector goes, the picture is of our proto we made for SEMA. The collector is not exactly the same way as it is in real life. Similar in design but a little more gradual. The design of the collector will not effect the end HP. Whatever HP this makes it will not change with the change of the collector.

The more headers the better. The length of our primarys are longer than anyones out there. As we all know, a 4-2-1 header has a little more back pressure causing a slight loss in top end power. The 4-1 headers have all shown slightly more gain up top. With that said and the longer primaries we are shooting to make the most WHP of any header. The other part we are including in the header is a flex joint that. Most of the other headers have a flex joint but none that we know of have a lined version. This type has an added SS liner to the inside to protect the bellows of the flex from the extreme heat. This small detail makes the flex joint last nearly forever. If anyone is interested in doing and independent back to back dyno run of our header let us know.

The final parts will be shipping in the middle of this month or end at the latest. It will be with or without a high flow Metalic Cat.

We didn't plan on coating them, but we could offer it if enough people ask.

 

Please explain waht "coating them" means. Also, how does that CAT compare with OEM in terms of longevity or capacity (cells?) is that the right word. Don't know much about Cats, sorry

 

Getting the header coated means adding a ceramic finish to keep the heat inside the header and help the under hood temps stay lower.

 

[quote=ALTA2]The price is a little up in the air right now. But Mid-priced is the best way to put it. We will not be the most expensive but we will not be the least expensive. quote]

To have any success in this product market your going to need to come in on the lower side of the $ range. It's a matter of price per pony and until 200.00 headers appeared most/many could not justify the $ / pony ratio.

I do appreciate what you have put more into your design.

 

Bahamabart,
We are never going to produce a $200 header. That would require us to go to China or over seas. That is just not our style. I think there is room for a $600-$800 header, that is made here in the states, is high quality, makes HP, and fits great.

I would agree that the header is not the best $ per pony, but that doesn't stop people from buying them. It just postpones when they buy one in their time line of upgrades. By far the best $/Hp is the turbo kit. Overall the cost (for someone with a completely stock car) is the way to go. But there are those who don't want to go that far with their car and the header is a great "I've done everything else now what" mod.

 

If I can keep the header when I'm done testing it (for free of course ) then I'd be more than happy to pay the dyno fees. LOL...

 

How come US companies can make a set of headers for every American car under the sun for 300 bucks, while we get a SINGLE HEADER for twice the price?

It doesnt make sense.

 

I would conjecture that based on Alta's perception of the header as a "I've done everything else now what" mod, they're not looking for a high volume of sales, but are keeping their price point just below Milltek's to be competitive.

A number of people looking to mod will do the pulley, CAI, cat-back, and ECU, then stop there. The header wasn't even a consideration for me until the OBX came in at $200. When I put the OBX in, I was impressed by the gains, but if it was $800, and I had to choose between a header and a cat-back, I would choose the cat-back.

I hope that Alta's entry into the header market will make for some more competition and bring down the prices of the headers overall, but until I have some more rationale (in the form of excellent dynos or workmanship), I refuse to pay four times the $200 I paid for the OBX for a header that performs and holds up marginally better.

 

[Rant Mode] That one is easy. It's because our car is European. And mainly, because it's a BMW. And companies think, well they drive an expensive car, they have pockets deep enough for the expensive parts. Lolol, it's like when you go have something done to your car, the guy before you driving a Honda got the same thing for half the price. [/Rant Mode: OFF]

Sorry, had to...

 

If you need a car to dyno test with quite a number of mods, I've got a M7/Cosworth Stage 2+ that is primed for a header, since everything else short of pistons and IC are worked changed . I have some dyno fun coming up in a few days, too!

 

Sad yet true, eh?

Screw Stainless, i want a Steel header for the MINI for 75 bucks, just like the Honda guys.

 

are u talkin' about headers w/cat's, flex pipes and O2 sensors or are u talkin' headers for early muscle cars???
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oh and BTW i would take mine in raw non shiny steel & coat it for longevity........

 

Does it matter?

It has no cat, nor does it come with O2 sensors, and it only has one flex pipe.

A header is a header.

Hooker can make 2 long tube ceramic coated hearders for 100 bucks UNDER the price Milltek makes ONE stainless header.

 

ur right, imean its threaded to accept the sensors all that stuff is extra to make.
on an early set theres none of that. (headers)