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Old Nov 20, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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While I do have a twincharged MINI, I am currently awaiting the custom CNC'd motor mount made from the stock one. When that IS fixed, time to install the wideband and get on the tuning route. I also need to take the Drag radials off and put my street tires back on. Over the winter, while it is being stored, I have an engine management project coming up and when it's not completely snow covered ground here in michigan, I will be driving her. For more info about my engine rebuild, this link has everything you need to know

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...702#post653702

also for the motor mounts

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...147#post687147
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Sorry for the OT Bob but did you say 50 to 90 or 60 to 90?
60 - 90 in 5th
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:46 AM
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Bob,

You might also try contacting CCM on this message board. He has had the work done by Eric at Helix.

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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 06:25 AM
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T/Cing is one of those things.....There's a lot of things you will have to consider when T/Cing beyong just the price of the kit and the installation/tuning charges.

There's things that fall into, "well since I'm spending that much money and getting that much more HP, why no do X as a preventative measure while I'm at it". X can be expensive things like better clutch, diff, brakes, gauges, exhaust, etc. You can nickel and dime yourself in a heart beat. If you have a newer car with low mileage, then you might be safe on some of those items, while others of those items you might deem a necessity.
 

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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:00 AM
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I believe that I can add a little here. The Alta kit, when we spoke with them, was aiming for low 4k. They're intending to be the cheapest. They already had a lot of money and experience with tuning EVOs and STIs [they are the same company as Perrin] and a lot of stuff "done" in house, so they can make that low price point- that is the impression we got. We got a lot more info from them, but this isn't the place. If you're curious, I'm sure you'll find your answers soon. I can't say where/how right now.
ingsoc, did you personally talk to jeff yourself or did you get this from a second hand source?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:18 AM
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ingsoc, did you personally talk to jeff yourself or did you get this from a second hand source?
I did not, but I am personally aware of the official information exchanged. Samurai Will is the man to talk to if you have especially specific questions. He was the first one on the boards to talk to them [he took the pictures for the announce thread], as a representative of TMMZ.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 01:28 PM
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OK, now that this thread is in Drivetrain mods, I have a practical question [please, only those with twin charge experience directly or at least first-hand respond]:

Realistically, if I were to invest in a twin charge, could I run it on the track? Like MSFTOY and SpiderX, TC is becoming a point of interest for me as I look into the future [I'll admit it, I never thought it would ]. Does anyone out there with a twin charge race on a real track? I do not include the drags- it's relatively easy on the engine to run full hilt for 13 seconds and much harder on the tranny and mounts. I am specificially worried about my _engine's_ ability to deal with twin charging. Does/has Randy run his on the track? I know he now is getting into selling them, but that he does _not_ warrant them.

If a car can run on the track for a season, I'd say it's damn well reliable. Eaton supercharged, mine and all of my friends' cars track flawlessly, but of course we don't have quite the power we'd like [even at 200-220 whp, even 250 whp in one case, the urge remains]. What is and has been needed to keep a twin charged car going for track duty?

I believe that MSFTOY and SpiderX would agree- progress is a big factor in any potential outlay. For me, progress requires maintaining what I love about my car.

Thanks, in advance, for your time.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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We all have the same bug...The World's Not Enough!!! But for now, I'm having a hard time with stuffing "more" parts into an already cramped engine bay then flogging it around on a track. I'd wonder if that would be an invitation to more time spent in that extra cramped engine bay as Maximusmini might attest. I'm sure he laughed his *** off while it was running...no doubt. I'd love to hear from people who have tracked a TC regularly however. Me? I'd like to see someone completely remove that heavy Eaton and either straight turbo it or something less complex. Less plumbing please
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Me? I'd like to see someone completely remove that heavy Eaton and either straight turbo it or something less complex. Less plumbing please
It would be nice and easy to lose the new Works GP's 88 measly pounds from the engine bay alone, wouldn't it? . My supercharger weighed a bit over 20 pounds, if I remember correctly.

Anyways, weight is great, but so is power . Is the twincharge proving trackable? Anyone? The options are steadily increasing, so inquiring minds would like to know!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
I'd like to see someone completely remove that heavy Eaton and either straight turbo it or something less complex. Less plumbing please

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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:48 PM
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Can anyone help some bruthas out here? . Know anyone who has successfully tracked a twincharge? It doesn't need to be stock. I just would like to know what I'll need to do to make it work. Thanks!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
Does anyone out there with a twin charge race on a real track?
Yes...I do not know if she's on NAM ....but she is racing quite often on the east coast...it's funny cause when she put a pulley on her car..they made her bump in to the open class with 2000 lb E36 type FULL RACE cars...so then she was getting stomped...SO, she got a twin charge...and OH YEAH she droped 17 seconds off her lap times do to the power on the straights...next thing you know...they boys with the full race cars are crying about "it's not fair" ...COME ON!!! you have 700 lbs less at least and a full race car to boot...oh you can never win
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuls
Yes...I do not know if she's on NAM ....but she is racing quite often on the east coast...it's funny cause when she put a pulley on her car..they made her bump in to the open class with 2000 lb E36 type FULL RACE cars...so then she was getting stomped...SO, she got a twin charge...and OH YEAH she droped 17 seconds off her lap times do to the power on the straights...next thing you know...they boys with the full race cars are crying about "it's not fair" ...COME ON!!! you have 700 lbs less at least and a full race car to boot...oh you can never win
What was involved in her transformation [any extra pieces beyond the entry level twin charge kits]? What kind of kit did she get? And, I guess this is implied, but how has it held up? [number of races, length of races, etc.]
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
What was involved in her transformation [any extra pieces beyond the entry level twin charge kits]? What kind of kit did she get? And, I guess this is implied, but how has it held up? [number of races, length of races, etc.]
it's held up great...I am not sure the # of races but they were full on track days...the only thing I belive she got over the regular kit was pistons...so she could run 28 + lbs of boost...other than that...I do not have exact #s
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuls
it's held up great...I am not sure the # of races but they were full on track days...the only thing I belive she got over the regular kit was pistons...so she could run 28 + lbs of boost...other than that...I do not have exact #s
That's cool. If she's around, I'm sure she'll chime in.

Anyone else got a twin charge that does track time? Does anyone know if Randy runs his kits at the track yet?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
That's cool. If she's around, I'm sure she'll chime in.

Anyone else got a twin charge that does track time? Does anyone know if Randy runs his kits at the track yet?
oh...hey...I do know she's making 280 WHP and KICKING A$$!!! so...uh yeah that's all...no more...only 280 AT THE WHEELS!! LOL....sigh
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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oh...hey...I do know she's making 280 WHP and KICKING A$$!!! so...uh yeah that's all...no more...only 280 AT THE WHEELS!! LOL....sigh
Braggard!
 
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
Braggard!
did you mean braggart? if so


I am just saying...no head work, no blah blah blah....just TC and pistons...I didn't mean to seem to be boasting....
 
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuls
did you mean braggart? if so


I am just saying...no head work, no blah blah blah....just TC and pistons...I didn't mean to seem to be boasting....
could you please give me some more info on the pistons she used if you can? as I will eventually go twin and would like to start building my engine up now for that day.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 03:49 AM
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I don't know 100% of the details, but one of the other New England track fanatics got his Coooper S twincharged last winter, and hasn't been able to take it to the track since. Something goes wrong with the spark plugs and the car goes into limp mode.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 04:14 AM
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could you please give me some more info on the pistons she used if you can?
For piston info, contact Hubie Fuh at: hubie % fireballtim*com
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuls
did you mean braggart? if so


I am just saying...no head work, no blah blah blah....just TC and pistons...I didn't mean to seem to be boasting....
Just joking d00d. I'm sorry it didn't capture my meaning. Have a great one.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by snid
I don't know 100% of the details, but one of the other New England track fanatics got his Coooper S twincharged last winter, and hasn't been able to take it to the track since. Something goes wrong with the spark plugs and the car goes into limp mode.
Hmm, do you have any more info? Which kit did he get? I can't have my toy down for a year!
 
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
Hmm, do you have any more info? Which kit did he get? I can't have my toy down for a year!
Since he hasn't talked much about it publicly, I'm not going to either. The people who did the install have been working on trying to get it to run right... it just doesn't seem to have happened yet. It has been seen running quickly from time to time, just not consistently.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
Hmm, do you have any more info? Which kit did he get? I can't have my toy down for a year!

I'm telling you now, if you can't have your MINI down for a year, then don't get the twincharged. It is not for the faint of heart. I can attest, the MINI is trackable with the twincharged, be sure to change your Motor mounts, and don't be surprised if you blow the ringlands off of one or if all your pistons. As for the woman who is tracking her TC MINI on the east coast, I heard she blew her motor and crashed. Please don't say it's true.
 
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