Drivetrain Alta Introduces MINI Twincharging System at SEMA 2005
How sad am I........I never found any of these venders or any Mini's than the 2 ugly ones i found....I must have walked thru all the halls and all i saw were Bimmers....I will say, i got to see AC Schnitzer's Concept M6 from germany.
What a hot car.
What a hot car.
Thanks Andy for the pics and the good chat we had. Very exciting things to come with our TC kit (dubbed the Twurbo kit.... ya). Lets explain our selves with what we have done and why.
First remove the SC, this little 1.6 engine will never spool this turbo. If it was a honda b16 a gt28RS would be a better match with a little lag. But with the SC back on the car, we still get the boost we want at the lower RPMs because of the SC. The turbo choice is still somewhat up in the air. Who knows maybe the 28 is what the kits will ship with. We did use the GT3071R which we think is the best match for this car with the SC. This turbo has a very nice compressor map that shows it very efficient in many different flows, which should work great in our low boost applicationn and the high boost application.
Instead of using the stock SC pulley we are including an oversized pulley to lower the SC boost, and run more Turbo boost making everything work better. Lower the speed of the SC (less drag=more free HP) increase the boost from the turbo to make up for the lost boost. The other huge benifit is the charge air temp will be much cooler, making even more HP.
The hose between the SC and the TB is a week link, and is a part that has to be sealed up. In the end i think people are going to have to remove this part and RTV it to the SC to create a proper seal.
The Intake to the kit is a silicone part with the vacuum fitting for the CC, and crank case hookup. A special larger filter is used, along with an air box shroud which doubles as a holder for the fresh air tube.
One part you see in the pictures that should make all ECU flashes become less desirable is the HYDRA. Very cool things to come with the hydra for the mini. This will be the first real plug and play stand alone ECU for the car. You will have full control over fuel and timing, auto fuel tuning capability, knock detection and correction, and the ability to use launch control and flat foot shifting. There are many other things that this ECU will do that will make this very popular. The cost will will be more than other flashes, but with its capablility it will be worth it.
Up until now there has been nothing like this for the mini tuners out there and we will be starting a new trend with the mini's that has been happening in the other tuner worlds for some time. The Hydra for the mini is being tested right now, and plans for the plug and play version are just after the first of the year. These ECU's will also be able to drive all the CAN functions in the car. This will put it far and above all other ECU's, and flashes.
Prices for the Twurbo kit are up in the air a little. But expect a setup that works with the stock ECU and one that is designed around the Hyrda. Basically a high boost and a low boost setup.
Again thanks Andy for the good chat, and thanks to Will from Mighty Miniz for the quick write up and instant SEMA News.
First remove the SC, this little 1.6 engine will never spool this turbo. If it was a honda b16 a gt28RS would be a better match with a little lag. But with the SC back on the car, we still get the boost we want at the lower RPMs because of the SC. The turbo choice is still somewhat up in the air. Who knows maybe the 28 is what the kits will ship with. We did use the GT3071R which we think is the best match for this car with the SC. This turbo has a very nice compressor map that shows it very efficient in many different flows, which should work great in our low boost applicationn and the high boost application.
Instead of using the stock SC pulley we are including an oversized pulley to lower the SC boost, and run more Turbo boost making everything work better. Lower the speed of the SC (less drag=more free HP) increase the boost from the turbo to make up for the lost boost. The other huge benifit is the charge air temp will be much cooler, making even more HP.
The hose between the SC and the TB is a week link, and is a part that has to be sealed up. In the end i think people are going to have to remove this part and RTV it to the SC to create a proper seal.
The Intake to the kit is a silicone part with the vacuum fitting for the CC, and crank case hookup. A special larger filter is used, along with an air box shroud which doubles as a holder for the fresh air tube.
One part you see in the pictures that should make all ECU flashes become less desirable is the HYDRA. Very cool things to come with the hydra for the mini. This will be the first real plug and play stand alone ECU for the car. You will have full control over fuel and timing, auto fuel tuning capability, knock detection and correction, and the ability to use launch control and flat foot shifting. There are many other things that this ECU will do that will make this very popular. The cost will will be more than other flashes, but with its capablility it will be worth it.
Up until now there has been nothing like this for the mini tuners out there and we will be starting a new trend with the mini's that has been happening in the other tuner worlds for some time. The Hydra for the mini is being tested right now, and plans for the plug and play version are just after the first of the year. These ECU's will also be able to drive all the CAN functions in the car. This will put it far and above all other ECU's, and flashes.
Prices for the Twurbo kit are up in the air a little. But expect a setup that works with the stock ECU and one that is designed around the Hyrda. Basically a high boost and a low boost setup.
Again thanks Andy for the good chat, and thanks to Will from Mighty Miniz for the quick write up and instant SEMA News.
1)It will work with the auto, but we will have to built a new boost tube for the TB connection.
2)It will be a piggy back, but not really. The stock ECU will only be there for the CAN system to function correctly, and so things like cruise control, OBD2 and other little things will function. The CAN drivers in the ECU will be in models early next year. But even then, we feel that the Mini crowd is going to want the stock ECU to be in place for emissions stuff and cruise control.
But other than that it take full control over fuel, timing, and all things related. It is not adding or subtracting from the base map.
2)It will be a piggy back, but not really. The stock ECU will only be there for the CAN system to function correctly, and so things like cruise control, OBD2 and other little things will function. The CAN drivers in the ECU will be in models early next year. But even then, we feel that the Mini crowd is going to want the stock ECU to be in place for emissions stuff and cruise control.
But other than that it take full control over fuel, timing, and all things related. It is not adding or subtracting from the base map.
Originally Posted by ALTA2
, and thanks to Will from Mighty Miniz for the quick write up and instant SEMA News.

And I saw Hulk Hogan while I was sitting there.
Anyways, lookin good guys. I was pretty impressed.
Originally Posted by ALTA2
1fstmini,
Sorry you missed us. We were right next to Supersprint, and Precision Turbo. Our mini was on the back side, not facing the Hot Ladys. That is problably why you missed it
Sorry you missed us. We were right next to Supersprint, and Precision Turbo. Our mini was on the back side, not facing the Hot Ladys. That is problably why you missed it

I would like to talk to you more though about your project with what i have in the works with a friend of mine. We are looking to give the Mini more exposure and show the import scene what there really capable of putting down for power and show there old heritage racing with there fine tuned suspensions.
Originally Posted by ALTA2
First remove the SC, this little 1.6 engine will never spool this turbo. If it was a honda b16 a gt28RS would be a better match with a little lag. But with the SC back on the car, we still get the boost we want at the lower RPMs because of the SC. The turbo choice is still somewhat up in the air. Who knows maybe the 28 is what the kits will ship with. We did use the GT3071R which we think is the best match for this car with the SC. This turbo has a very nice compressor map that shows it very efficient in many different flows, which should work great in our low boost applicationn and the high boost application.
slightly OT
Here's a link to an MR2 Hydra Nemesis 2 application with installation, tuning and troubleshooting tips, http://mrcontrols.com/installs/nemesis/tuning.htm.
Originally Posted by ALTA2
Give us a call and we can talk! Hmmm, next year, what will have next year?? Maybe the turbo cars will be out then???
I've had my MC40 for a little over a year and have less than 5,000 miles on it.
I wonder if something like this turbo set up would mess up the warranty...
I know....I'm kidding.
I would like to have something like this on my car just for the fun of it. I have the JCW engine upgrade to (supposedly) 210 horsepower, but I think having something like this in a milder tune (so reliability would be minimally affected) would be fun.
I'm not sure I'd want to tackle something like this (or anyone else's turbo set up) myself, so I'd have to find a garage in the area to do it for me.
I wonder if something like this turbo set up would mess up the warranty...
I know....I'm kidding.
I would like to have something like this on my car just for the fun of it. I have the JCW engine upgrade to (supposedly) 210 horsepower, but I think having something like this in a milder tune (so reliability would be minimally affected) would be fun.
I'm not sure I'd want to tackle something like this (or anyone else's turbo set up) myself, so I'd have to find a garage in the area to do it for me.
TV well lets talk!
Morris9982,
5000 miles is perfect amount of breakin miles for a turbo kit. We are trying to make the turbo kit a user installable type item. In the end it is pretty simple. Header, turbo, oil, coolant, downpipe, and a boost tube. Nuts and bolts type thing. The ECU part of it is also going to be a plug and play, and pre tuned. So nothing really specialized enough to warrant someone flying out to install it. A shop familiar with Mini's could easily do that.
Morris9982,
5000 miles is perfect amount of breakin miles for a turbo kit. We are trying to make the turbo kit a user installable type item. In the end it is pretty simple. Header, turbo, oil, coolant, downpipe, and a boost tube. Nuts and bolts type thing. The ECU part of it is also going to be a plug and play, and pre tuned. So nothing really specialized enough to warrant someone flying out to install it. A shop familiar with Mini's could easily do that.
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