Drivetrain New SC intake Tube
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Originally Posted by detlman
I should have one tomorow, and I have the alta. I will let you know if there are any fitment issues. I am planning to install it on monday
How are you thinking of tackling the issue of the silicone hose being a bit short? I'm hoping just a simple extension will do. I noticed the different intakes on the 05 a few months back, but was turned off about that 90* bend, from the picture it doesn't look bad at all. Damn now I might have to take everything apart again.:impatient
catcha later
Hmmm, there used to be one in an AGS thread, but the pictures are gone now.
It looks a lot like the picture on post #1, but squished a little flatter...
It looks a lot like the picture on post #1, but squished a little flatter...
what ever is clever.......im over it, back to topic!
!!
Originally Posted by Eric_Rowland
Uh, actually, he was (correctly) referencing my comment regarding jive (and translation thereof), as picked up by Marty, Greatbear, and hopefully a host of others, and marvelously acted by Barbara Billingsley in the '70's movie 'Airplane!'
Rallymini deftly translated your jargon into a more easily understandable prose, just as Barbara did in the movie, hence the reference.
Golly!
Rallymini deftly translated your jargon into a more easily understandable prose, just as Barbara did in the movie, hence the reference.
Golly!
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to paraphrase an olde' addage; the onus of communicating correctly is the burden of he who makes the first statement.
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among the things that have been interesting in this forum are this thread, the entire AGS snafu, and jo-cur's wacky dialect. I luv u jo-cur, kee pit funky
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among the things that have been interesting in this forum are this thread, the entire AGS snafu, and jo-cur's wacky dialect. I luv u jo-cur, kee pit funky
Last edited by jlm; Sep 23, 2005 at 05:23 PM.
cuz its gibberish indeed,
not at all how i type, what so ever!!!!
*but its kool im over it........................... till next time
*but its kool im over it........................... till next time
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
My black colleges here can't make sense of that gibberish
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[QUOTE=RallyMINI]Another glaring example of Scottinbend acting negatively without posting anything productive as well Some of us are trying to understand this new mod here....try to keep your useless M7 insults out of this You arent doing much in way of making friends either by making childish posts as usual. Act your age.
QUOTE]
This is not a new mod.....it is a discussion of a stock part. M7 comes in and start bashing the author about his title. Then goes overboard trying to defend his AGS against this "new" product with out realizing that it was a stock item. The over the top responses from M7 are what I am upset about.
I would expect more from any business owner. He made it personal.
Some of us are trying to understand this new mod here....try to keep your useless M7 insults out of this You arent doing much in way of making friends either by making childish posts as usual. Act your age. QUOTE]
This is not a new mod.....it is a discussion of a stock part. M7 comes in and start bashing the author about his title. Then goes overboard trying to defend his AGS against this "new" product with out realizing that it was a stock item. The over the top responses from M7 are what I am upset about.
I would expect more from any business owner. He made it personal.
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From: oh10
[QUOTE=ScottinBend]
It IS a new mod.... being an OEM part doesnt change that.
And like i said, your posts are all just arguments with people....please start posting things that help further the conversation rather than put other people down. If you are upset by his posts...put him on the ignore list. You acting childish is not going to solve anything. You know better than that.
Its much like the saying our parents taught us "If you cant say something nice, don't say anything at all"....and team that up with "two rights dont make a wrong". You really shouldnt have to be reminded about these things...especially by a 20 year old
Back on topic again: Is there any confirmation as to whether or not this is JUST on the MCSa.....or is it on both? I have heard conflicting statements from different people. My guess would be that its on all 05s.
Originally Posted by RallyMINI
Another glaring example of Scottinbend acting negatively without posting anything productive as well Some of us are trying to understand this new mod here....try to keep your useless M7 insults out of this You arent doing much in way of making friends either by making childish posts as usual. Act your age.
QUOTE]
This is not a new mod.....it is a discussion of a stock part. M7 comes in and start bashing the author about his title. Then goes overboard trying to defend his AGS against this "new" product with out realizing that it was a stock item. The over the top responses from M7 are what I am upset about.
I would expect more from any business owner. He made it personal.
Some of us are trying to understand this new mod here....try to keep your useless M7 insults out of this You arent doing much in way of making friends either by making childish posts as usual. Act your age. QUOTE]
This is not a new mod.....it is a discussion of a stock part. M7 comes in and start bashing the author about his title. Then goes overboard trying to defend his AGS against this "new" product with out realizing that it was a stock item. The over the top responses from M7 are what I am upset about.
I would expect more from any business owner. He made it personal.
And like i said, your posts are all just arguments with people....please start posting things that help further the conversation rather than put other people down. If you are upset by his posts...put him on the ignore list. You acting childish is not going to solve anything. You know better than that.
Its much like the saying our parents taught us "If you cant say something nice, don't say anything at all"....and team that up with "two rights dont make a wrong". You really shouldnt have to be reminded about these things...especially by a 20 year old
Back on topic again: Is there any confirmation as to whether or not this is JUST on the MCSa.....or is it on both? I have heard conflicting statements from different people. My guess would be that its on all 05s.
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
It IS a new mod.... being an OEM part doesnt change that.
And like i said, your posts are all just arguments with people....please start posting things that help further the conversation rather than put other people down. If you are upset by his posts...put him on the ignore list. You acting childish is not going to solve anything. You know better than that.
Its much like the saying our parents taught us "If you cant say something nice, don't say anything at all"....and team that up with "two rights dont make a wrong". You really shouldnt have to be reminded about these things...especially by a 20 year old
Back on topic again: Is there any confirmation as to whether or not this is JUST on the MCSa.....or is it on both? I have heard conflicting statements from different people. My guess would be that its on all 05s.
And like i said, your posts are all just arguments with people....please start posting things that help further the conversation rather than put other people down. If you are upset by his posts...put him on the ignore list. You acting childish is not going to solve anything. You know better than that.
Its much like the saying our parents taught us "If you cant say something nice, don't say anything at all"....and team that up with "two rights dont make a wrong". You really shouldnt have to be reminded about these things...especially by a 20 year old
Back on topic again: Is there any confirmation as to whether or not this is JUST on the MCSa.....or is it on both? I have heard conflicting statements from different people. My guess would be that its on all 05s.
Please do me a favor and do a little research and see how many of my posts are really negative. You will be surprised.
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Thanks Tuls and I guess I have to wait for Alta to make a new tube then.....
Originally Posted by Tuls
I am not sure the exact fitment with the alta...etc etc...It should work however I have a "hybrid" intake now that is a mix of parts that alow me to connect my filter directly to the pipe comming off the throttle body. The only thing I could see right now is that the alta's setup is ver specific...so either the tube would have to change or the heat shield...this is all in theory...however...if ALTA wants to make a new tube for the MCSa then it shouldn't be an issue....
wants to make a new tube for the MCSa then it shouldn't be an issue....
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From: oh10
Originally Posted by ScottinBend
Seems to me that you are the one that can't let it go. Let M7 do there own defending. I am not the only one to have posted comments about M7's heavy handed posts in this thread.
Please do me a favor and do a little research and see how many of my posts are really negative. You will be surprised.
Please do me a favor and do a little research and see how many of my posts are really negative. You will be surprised.
I meant all of your posts in this thread. And research shows....i was right.
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
I meant all of your posts in this thread. And research shows....i was right. C'mon, get real. You would do well to realize that this thread was started as a joke. M7 came in and tried to dismiss the entire thing w/o even knowing what was being done. I am sure there are a lot of people that are getting tired of the whole "my stuff is better than all the rest" comments from M7. They have some good products, but the atitude they display in this forum leaves a lot to be desired.
I think I am allowed to question and comment on anyones posts on this forum, as you are. I may not be as diplomatic as some, but my feelings are validated by the number of similiar posts made by others. I do apologize to Randy and Peter for my posts that were of a more personal matter than what was intended. I will, in the future, be more aware of how my posts are being taken.
Your undying support of M7 is admirable, but to blindly support the kind of heavy-handed comments made by M7 in this and other posts is counter-productive.
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Seems all the relevant info has been extracted from this thread now. Thanks everyone. Those of you that dont really care one way or the other may go back to male bonding with your buds. I know you are, but bla bla bla
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Maybe...
Originally Posted by RallyMINI
hes posting about it all over
I asked the same question as you.
I would believe that the changes would be made in order to account for the auto tranny mounting. The 05 cooper had to change the intake box and filter due to new mounting sizes....so perhaps this is the same thing. Again, this is just my 2 cents...i dont know enough about the original part to really analyze the difference. It doesnt help that my part number refrences dont show a difference between the duct in the MCSa versus the MCS.
And if it were to fit both models AND give HP (whether it be small or 20 HP), why would MINI spend MORE money on having 2 different molds processing 2 different ducts....especially if one worked less well then the other one . It seems like they would save money in the ABS manufacturing process AND gain a little HP on the base MCS while saving that money. Car companies are rather well known for saving money when they can
I asked the same question as you.
I would believe that the changes would be made in order to account for the auto tranny mounting. The 05 cooper had to change the intake box and filter due to new mounting sizes....so perhaps this is the same thing. Again, this is just my 2 cents...i dont know enough about the original part to really analyze the difference. It doesnt help that my part number refrences dont show a difference between the duct in the MCSa versus the MCS.
And if it were to fit both models AND give HP (whether it be small or 20 HP), why would MINI spend MORE money on having 2 different molds processing 2 different ducts....especially if one worked less well then the other one
. It seems like they would save money in the ABS manufacturing process AND gain a little HP on the base MCS while saving that money. Car companies are rather well known for saving money when they can 
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It is gratifying to see that even BMW has realized that there is a opportunity for increased performance as we did last year. As you can see from the posted photos the stock SC tube is very restricted and our AGS tube alleviates that restriction to a great degree.Plese keep in mind that the pictures of our tube are of a pre production piece just to show the actual shape but not the final finish of the product.
The new tube for the MCSA apparently attempts to offer a better path for air flow by being slightly larger that stock but still is restricted in the most important area and that is with the position of the throttle body. The air flow still has to make an abrupt turn as soon as it passes thru the throttle body. In any event BMW is to be commended in keeping their eyes and ears open to the aftermarket.
We feel that the AGS still has some room for improvement and have recently contracted with an outside firm to do computational fluid dynamics testing on the AGS tube . Due to the results we feel we have some additional tweaks that will be applied in the new production runs for added benefit . I would like to thank all those posted here for their interest and helping us keep in the public eye.
Randy
M7 Tuning
P.S I would like to personally thank Tuls for bringing this all up and I have to give him credit for the pictures of the BMW tube. You used our name we used your pics , sounds like a fair trade
Stock SC tube end view
M7 AGS tube end view
M7 AGS/ Stock tube side view
New BMW tube
The new tube for the MCSA apparently attempts to offer a better path for air flow by being slightly larger that stock but still is restricted in the most important area and that is with the position of the throttle body. The air flow still has to make an abrupt turn as soon as it passes thru the throttle body. In any event BMW is to be commended in keeping their eyes and ears open to the aftermarket.
We feel that the AGS still has some room for improvement and have recently contracted with an outside firm to do computational fluid dynamics testing on the AGS tube . Due to the results we feel we have some additional tweaks that will be applied in the new production runs for added benefit . I would like to thank all those posted here for their interest and helping us keep in the public eye.
Randy
M7 Tuning
P.S I would like to personally thank Tuls for bringing this all up and I have to give him credit for the pictures of the BMW tube. You used our name we used your pics , sounds like a fair trade
Stock SC tube end view
M7 AGS tube end view
M7 AGS/ Stock tube side view
New BMW tube
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I think we all now can see that the discussion has calmed a little. One thing that Scott and everyone must remember is M7 is 2 guys who exist based solely on innovation in a horrendously over-competitive market. They do so quite well by all stretches of the imagination, especially in this limited industry. If you think that somehow all of this bickering (by people who have 'strangely' never attempted to buy their products!) has hurt business, you're simply mistaken- They still have plenty of people buying AND enjoying their products. Yes, even the AGS!
NAM gets their name out, but it is through the reliable and well-earned word of product owners that they always have new customers ringing. A couple of years in the business, and they're still here, stronger than always, supporting their brand with the hearts of true enthusiasts. Clearly, they must be doing something right. I will argue (like literally everyone I know who has an M7 product) that this is because they are great guys and their products and support are quite possibly the best out there! If something goes wrong, Peter OVERNIGHTS a fix. On his own tab, so that our MINIs will be on the road again ASAP. Did you know that?
Anyways, Peter got upset, I'm sure, for a good reason. Did you all forget that he had a provisional patent ISSUED [all patents take a couple of years, for ex. the iPod patent sat for TWO [I believe I remember] on the AGS. He owns rights to the name and the concept. In case you guys do not catch his drift, he thought he saw someone taking his idea, using it, and stealing the name too. That is categorically illegal and not cool.
You all should recognize the moral principle here. Yes, he overreacted, but try for a moment to understand what it takes to pour your personal heart and soul into something, only to have it stolen. Not to mention what kind of honor and constitution/enthusiasm it would take for you to stay here and constantly defend your product to random persons who a) have never owned M7 product yet b) will quite freely say evil, jealous things in public about products which they didn't even care much about in the first place. Remember, M7 still has burgeoning business with or without the naysayers who wouldn't have bought anything in the first place! I for one have more confidence in their honor than that of those who are content to criticize things they many times have never even seen, much less used!
NAM gets their name out, but it is through the reliable and well-earned word of product owners that they always have new customers ringing. A couple of years in the business, and they're still here, stronger than always, supporting their brand with the hearts of true enthusiasts. Clearly, they must be doing something right. I will argue (like literally everyone I know who has an M7 product) that this is because they are great guys and their products and support are quite possibly the best out there! If something goes wrong, Peter OVERNIGHTS a fix. On his own tab, so that our MINIs will be on the road again ASAP. Did you know that?
Anyways, Peter got upset, I'm sure, for a good reason. Did you all forget that he had a provisional patent ISSUED [all patents take a couple of years, for ex. the iPod patent sat for TWO [I believe I remember] on the AGS. He owns rights to the name and the concept. In case you guys do not catch his drift, he thought he saw someone taking his idea, using it, and stealing the name too. That is categorically illegal and not cool.
You all should recognize the moral principle here. Yes, he overreacted, but try for a moment to understand what it takes to pour your personal heart and soul into something, only to have it stolen. Not to mention what kind of honor and constitution/enthusiasm it would take for you to stay here and constantly defend your product to random persons who a) have never owned M7 product yet b) will quite freely say evil, jealous things in public about products which they didn't even care much about in the first place. Remember, M7 still has burgeoning business with or without the naysayers who wouldn't have bought anything in the first place! I for one have more confidence in their honor than that of those who are content to criticize things they many times have never even seen, much less used!
Originally Posted by ScottinBend
And mine were the only ones.........?
C'mon, get real. You would do well to realize that this thread was started as a joke. M7 came in and tried to dismiss the entire thing w/o even knowing what was being done. I am sure there are a lot of people that are getting tired of the whole "my stuff is better than all the rest" comments from M7. They have some good products, but the atitude they display in this forum leaves a lot to be desired.
I think I am allowed to question and comment on anyones posts on this forum, as you are. I may not be as diplomatic as some, but my feelings are validated by the number of similiar posts made by others. I do apologize to Randy and Peter for my posts that were of a more personal matter than what was intended. I will, in the future, be more aware of how my posts are being taken.
Your undying support of M7 is admirable, but to blindly support the kind of heavy-handed comments made by M7 in this and other posts is counter-productive.
C'mon, get real. You would do well to realize that this thread was started as a joke. M7 came in and tried to dismiss the entire thing w/o even knowing what was being done. I am sure there are a lot of people that are getting tired of the whole "my stuff is better than all the rest" comments from M7. They have some good products, but the atitude they display in this forum leaves a lot to be desired.
I think I am allowed to question and comment on anyones posts on this forum, as you are. I may not be as diplomatic as some, but my feelings are validated by the number of similiar posts made by others. I do apologize to Randy and Peter for my posts that were of a more personal matter than what was intended. I will, in the future, be more aware of how my posts are being taken.
Your undying support of M7 is admirable, but to blindly support the kind of heavy-handed comments made by M7 in this and other posts is counter-productive.
hey Randy wuz up!! great pix do0d.....(Peter's doings??)-- --
--glad to see the major differences, Peter was tellin' me about this 'computational fluid dynamics' stuff sounds 2 kool 4 school
***hey 'CynMini' interestin' stuff!! didnt know this.....
----glad to see the major differences, Peter was tellin' me about this 'computational fluid dynamics' stuff sounds 2 kool 4 school
***hey 'CynMini' interestin' stuff!! didnt know this.....
Originally Posted by maxmini
It is gratifying to see that even BMW has realized that there is a opportunity for increased performance as we did last year. As you can see from the posted photos the stock SC tube is very restricted and our AGS tube alleviates that restriction to a great degree.Plese keep in mind that the pictures of our tube are of a pre production piece just to show the actual shape but not the final finish of the product.
The new tube for the MCSA apparently attempts to offer a better path for air flow by being slightly larger that stock but still is restricted in the most important area and that is with the position of the throttle body. The air flow still has to make an abrupt turn as soon as it passes thru the throttle body. In any event BMW is to be commended in keeping their eyes and ears open to the aftermarket.
We feel that the AGS still has some room for improvement and have recently contracted with an outside firm to do computational fluid dynamics testing on the AGS tube . Due to the results we feel we have some additional tweaks that will be applied in the new production runs for added benefit . I would like to thank all those posted here for their interest and helping us keep in the public eye.
Randy
M7 Tuning
P.S I would like to personally thank Tuls for bringing this all up and I have to give him credit for the pictures of the BMW tube. You used our name we used your pics , sounds like a fair trade
Stock SC tube end view
M7 AGS tube end view
M7 AGS/ Stock tube side view
New BMW tube
The new tube for the MCSA apparently attempts to offer a better path for air flow by being slightly larger that stock but still is restricted in the most important area and that is with the position of the throttle body. The air flow still has to make an abrupt turn as soon as it passes thru the throttle body. In any event BMW is to be commended in keeping their eyes and ears open to the aftermarket.
We feel that the AGS still has some room for improvement and have recently contracted with an outside firm to do computational fluid dynamics testing on the AGS tube . Due to the results we feel we have some additional tweaks that will be applied in the new production runs for added benefit . I would like to thank all those posted here for their interest and helping us keep in the public eye.
Randy
M7 Tuning
P.S I would like to personally thank Tuls for bringing this all up and I have to give him credit for the pictures of the BMW tube. You used our name we used your pics , sounds like a fair trade
Stock SC tube end view
M7 AGS tube end view
M7 AGS/ Stock tube side view
New BMW tube
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Good gosh people. I left NAM for a few days and when I come back it's like all hell broke loose. I don't believe their is more then 5 or 6 informative posts on this thread.
Has anyone actually tried to install this tube on a MCS manual? If no one does anything soon I am going down to my dealer and picking one up. Anyone up for another $5 a piece dyno test?
Has anyone actually tried to install this tube on a MCS manual? If no one does anything soon I am going down to my dealer and picking one up. Anyone up for another $5 a piece dyno test?
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From: Infinity and beyond
Originally Posted by M7
The tube is MCSa only, confirmed it with my dealer today.....
Peter
Peter
I expect more from you peter...
Also...the at this point all of my testing is showing that it is not the tube it's self that is restrictive...but the factory box/filter set up vs after market. so really it's about the filter...not that tube....this being done by dynoing with no filter just open throttle body
the only tests I haven't gotten into yet is the Turbo cars...as in Twincharge...but I have a feeling after looking through all of them that it really isn't going to make a difference...
in the end I really don't care that much...because the 6-10 HP you get from an intake is not something you notice unless coupled with 20 HP from a pulley and maybe 5-10 from an exhaust...then you are talking something noticable...
the angle this pick was taken at makes it look like you can't see through it...but you can...
I'll get a pic up soon
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Turbius Maximus
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From: Infinity and beyond
Originally Posted by spillman
Has anyone actually tried to install this tube on a MCS manual? If no one does anything soon I am going down to my dealer and picking one up. Anyone up for another $5 a piece dyno test?
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From: Rutherfordton, NC
Originally Posted by Tuls
it's installed already....however, as I said in my above post...it's not the piece that has made power so far...it's the filter elements...
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From: oh10
Originally Posted by Tuls
really? MCSA ONLY??? I think it's funny you would ask a dealer...OF ALL PEOPLE???!! I mean honestly...we all know those guys do not try different things...it's not what they are paid to do...and it certainly isn't the place to find Tuner mantality...that beign the type to try different things and test them...
I expect more from you peter...
I expect more from you peter...
.i think you may have misunderstood what he was saying. Peter was responding to a question that i had asked a few posts earlier. My question was "Is this an 05 MCS 6-speed piece also or is it JUST on the 05 MCSa"> I believe that is why he went to ask the dealer since they have the part number diagram. He wasnt talking about them not fitting on 02-04's
So is this right? Its just on MCSa's?
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From: los angeles
Thank's Rally.....
You are right, there's two different parts numbers, and no indication of
changes in part numbers.
Tuls I can appreciate you trying something new, and I never discounted
you trying...
peter
You are right, there's two different parts numbers, and no indication of
changes in part numbers.
Tuls I can appreciate you trying something new, and I never discounted
you trying...
peter
