Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain One-Ball Exhaust Surgery - Before/After Photos

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 17, 2005 | 05:45 AM
  #51  
muy_mini's Avatar
muy_mini
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
No, I think most Muffler Guys would call the 20-pound 'ball' that was removed a muffler. I'm with you on what is called a resonator. If there was room, you could put a resonator front or back. I'm no muffler designer, but I believe a resonator has the function of absorbing some of the sound that results from the resonance frequency of the exhaust system [just like the sound you get when you blow across the top of a bottle]. Longer exhaust systems have a lower resonant frequency and shorter systems have a higher resonant frequency. BTW, my stock exhaust had a bothersome resonance at around 2200 RPMs, which disappeared [luck?] with the One-Ball mod...

-B

Originally Posted by Stricks
So, by that response, I'm guessing the resonator is the piece you cut out on the passenger side that looks like a muffler? I guess I thought resonators were tube-like features closer to the front of the car -- is that only on the after market exhausts?
 
Reply
Old Nov 17, 2005 | 06:31 AM
  #52  
andy@ross-tech.com's Avatar
andy@ross-tech.com
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,652
Likes: 6
From: Lansdale, PA
The removed item is a resonator, it just isn't straight. This is what the guts look like:





It's basically a glass-pack (perforated straight-through pipe surrounded by fiberglas batting) that is bent into a strange shape.
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:26 AM
  #53  
Detonics's Avatar
Detonics
3rd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Guys,

Im here not to ask for any video clip or how's the one ball has been done.. I've done this mode.

I'm wondering if any of you with this mod is having a vibration at the rear bumper. Every time i start the car (cold or warm), there'll be a vibration. Not just that, but the vibrations continues at every low Rpm, not more than 2K.

I've asked my brother to tap the throttle a lil bit while I check the exhaust. There was no rubbing(tip and valance), exhaust and pipes with the body. Does it mean the frequency of the exhaust causes the rear bumper to vibrate? Coz it vibrates only at certain RPM. Please help... I cant stand it.
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:39 AM
  #54  
Bahamabart's Avatar
Bahamabart
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,291
Likes: 0
From: Miami, Florida
Originally Posted by Detonics
Guys,

Im here not to ask for any video clip or how's the one ball has been done.. I've done this mode.

I'm wondering if any of you with this mod is having a vibration at the rear bumper. Every time i start the car (cold or warm), there'll be a vibration. Not just that, but the vibrations continues at every low Rpm, not more than 2K.

I've asked my brother to tap the throttle a lil bit while I check the exhaust. There was no rubbing(tip and valance), exhaust and pipes with the body. Does it mean the frequency of the exhaust causes the rear bumper to vibrate? Coz it vibrates only at certain RPM. Please help... I cant stand it.
When I ran the 1-ball, I did not have any vibration. When you have your brother tap the throttle and you are looking at the exhaust - anything in particular move? Did you check the rubber muffler mounts? Are they in place (i.e. hanging properly or naturally)?

Easiest thing to do would be to loosen up the exhaust system - review muffler is hanging right, straight pipe isn't angled up or down and then clamp it back up.
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 09:21 AM
  #55  
Detonics's Avatar
Detonics
3rd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Bahamabart,

You are everywhere dude........ I went to the exhaust shop before and they took out the exhaust the fit it back, but still... the vibration is there. So i suspect the frequency caused the bumper to vibrate.
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 10:10 AM
  #56  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
I get a small vibration when cold at low RPM

but only when I I goose the throttle, or pull hard from a stop. But it existed before the one-ball.

I've done nothing about it, because it doesn't last that long....

Matt
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 03:33 PM
  #57  
MiniMeg06's Avatar
MiniMeg06
3rd Gear
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
From: Back in AZ
Andy Re; Inside the Primary Muffler/Resonator?

Andy 1st. Thanks for the look in side of the Primary Muffler/Resonator! I have been wondering what was inside of the stock mufflers? Have you by chance taken apart the Secondary muffler yet? I would like to see the layout of Secondary muffler. And one other thing, could you or someone else tell me where the stock exhaust pipe tubing goes from 2 1/4 to 2 1/2. (Our MCS is still on the Boat. ) This is what I think it does?
I have a family friend that owns a Muffler shop. After I told him we had ordered a MCS he said he had an idea for a system on MCS. And he wanted to try it out on our car. Thanks for your time & info.
Sincerely,
Randy & Meg
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 05:21 PM
  #58  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Goes into the ressonator at 2.25

Originally Posted by MiniMeg06
Andy 1st. Thanks for the look in side of the Primary Muffler/Resonator! I have been wondering what was inside of the stock mufflers? Have you by chance taken apart the Secondary muffler yet? I would like to see the layout of Secondary muffler. And one other thing, could you or someone else tell me where the stock exhaust pipe tubing goes from 2 1/4 to 2 1/2. (Our MCS is still on the Boat. ) This is what I think it does?
I have a family friend that owns a Muffler shop. After I told him we had ordered a MCS he said he had an idea for a system on MCS. And he wanted to try it out on our car. Thanks for your time & info.
Sincerely,
Randy & Meg
comes out at 2.5. I think....

Matt
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:26 PM
  #59  
Detonics's Avatar
Detonics
3rd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
What idea Minimeg06?
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 08:43 PM
  #60  
MiniMeg06's Avatar
MiniMeg06
3rd Gear
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
From: Back in AZ
Originally Posted by Detonics
What idea Minimeg06?
It's not my idea, it's my/dad friend at the muffler shop in the Phoenix area. I don't make/weld exhaust systems for a living? All he said to me "90% of aftermarket systems don't fit for s**t, there way over price even at my f-ing cost & I will need to buy some SS tubing." My dad has done alot of autobody work for this man. Last time he did a system for me he did Flowmaster and charge me a $40 and a cold case. (He wire welds with his eyes closed. I asked him how he does that he said by sound. And they are sweet welds too!)
 
Reply
Old Jan 4, 2006 | 08:49 PM
  #61  
myzamboni's Avatar
myzamboni
5th Gear
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 649
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
comes out at 2.5. I think....

Matt
Matt is right. I replaced the 2.25 from the cat on back with 2.5. It sounds a little deeper than 2/25.
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 06:32 AM
  #62  
muy_mini's Avatar
muy_mini
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
The exhaust tubing is 2-1/2" for the short run BETWEEN the mufflers [I'd call them resonators if the exhaust didn't make a 180-degree change of direction]. The tubing is 2-1/4" from the cat back to the first muffler.
-B

Originally Posted by MiniMeg06
... And one other thing, could you or someone else tell me where the stock exhaust pipe tubing goes from 2 1/4 to 2 1/2. (Our MCS is still on the Boat. ) ...snip...
Sincerely,
Randy & Meg
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 06:43 AM
  #63  
muy_mini's Avatar
muy_mini
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
If the exhaust is tight and not touching anywhere, then it might be easier to find out what is vibrating [bumper area?] and fix the problem there. One place you might want to check -- I've had two cars that had vibrating license plates. Couple of small ruber donuts under the plate fixed the problem.
-B
PS -- The resonance problem that I had with the stock exhaust, at around 2200 RPMs, went away with the one-ball mod.

Originally Posted by Detonics
Guys,

...I'm wondering if any of you with this mod is having a vibration at the rear bumper. ...I've asked my brother to tap the throttle a lil bit while I check the exhaust. There was no rubbing(tip and valance), exhaust and pipes with the body. Does it mean the frequency of the exhaust causes the rear bumper to vibrate? Coz it vibrates only at certain RPM. Please help... I cant stand it.
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 08:15 AM
  #64  
Detonics's Avatar
Detonics
3rd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
Muy mini,

It's not the plate, the vibration comes from the bumper. Since I'm having the one-ball so to be exact, the vibration is somewhere on the left side of the rear bumper. Perhaps it's the bushing that causes the vibration?
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 09:39 AM
  #65  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Check the heat sheilds as well.

they're easy to bend, and that can cause some issues. Also where they overlap, the two parts can bang and clang. The good thing is they're easy to bend back!

Matt
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 09:28 PM
  #66  
ScuderiaMini's Avatar
ScuderiaMini
6th Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,431
Likes: 0
From: Boerne/SAtown TX
My custom exhaust

i went one step further and replaced the original muffler with a magnaflow, and got rid of the resonator. first i was kinda worried about losing lowend, but oppose to my thoughts car is much more alive now, and the only draw back is the popping, which i sincerely welcome. It is very loud, yet not disturbing. I intentionly took my wife for a ride, even she likes it. Cost me total of $200.00 for the labor, the muffler (magnaflow), the muffler tip (magnaflow again, i will take some pics) and a 2 1/4 pipe for customization, works for me, instead of spending $700.00-$800.00. I can hear the free flow, especially when i am stepping on it
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 09:33 PM
  #67  
ScuderiaMini's Avatar
ScuderiaMini
6th Gear
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,431
Likes: 0
From: Boerne/SAtown TX
one question now, can we spice our custom exhausts with header?
 
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2006 | 10:52 PM
  #68  
Detonics's Avatar
Detonics
3rd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 256
Likes: 0
ScuderiaMINI,

Interesting, I hope you can post the pics and if possible, a sound clip? Since my stock muffler causes some prob, I might have to replace it... so, this might be an option but I hope my current prob can be solved. TQ.


My going under the car and have someone to tap the throttle for me, hopefuly i can solve the prob. Wish me luck!!!
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2006 | 09:31 AM
  #69  
Kentiki's Avatar
Kentiki
5th Gear
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 746
Likes: 1
From: Miami, FL
I've been thinking about the one-ball mod... There's one online vendor that sells the connecting pipe for like $125 (not Myminiparts, i can't remember the name), and they state the entire process can be DIY, only hand tools required. Can this be done without welding? I have decent tools, but not welding expertise/equipment.

If I removed the resonator, cut the pipes, and band clamped a connection in, would that be really "ghetto?"

Ken
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2006 | 09:33 AM
  #70  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
It's one way to go..

Originally Posted by Kentiki
I've been thinking about the one-ball mod... There's one online vendor that sells the connecting pipe for like $125 (not Myminiparts, i can't remember the name), and they state the entire process can be DIY, only hand tools required. Can this be done without welding? I have decent tools, but not welding expertise/equipment.

If I removed the resonator, cut the pipes, and band clamped a connection in, would that be really "ghetto?"

Ken
Had mine done at a local shop. $90 for the whole deal, welded. They cut up other exhausts lying around to get the bends needed.

Matt
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2006 | 11:09 AM
  #71  
Soul Coughing's Avatar
Soul Coughing
5th Gear
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,005
Likes: 157
From: Northern Jersey
so i just called up a midas and asked them if they would be able to help me to do the one ball and they said they were not allowed to change the muffler because it was against the law? i was a little surprised, is this going to be an issue at all the places im gonna call up?
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2006 | 11:13 AM
  #72  
Mini Pete's Avatar
Mini Pete
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Midas

Stay away from any Midas shop.
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2006 | 11:22 AM
  #73  
myzamboni's Avatar
myzamboni
5th Gear
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 649
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Soul Coughing
so i just called up a midas and asked them if they would be able to help me to do the one ball and they said they were not allowed to change the muffler because it was against the law? i was a little surprised, is this going to be an issue at all the places im gonna call up?
Dr Obnxs and I both used the same Meineke shop. Stay away from Midas.
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2006 | 02:21 PM
  #74  
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 5
From: Woodside, CA
Depends on the shop.

Originally Posted by myzamboni
Dr Obnxs and I both used the same Meineke shop. Stay away from Midas.
The meineke shop mentioned is owned and operated by Lupe Garcia, a long time member of the Nor-Cal Shelby Club. He does all sorts of cars there. Last time I was in, an early Tiger (small English roadster with 260/289 Ford V-8 power, the poor mans cobra) was in for a new exhaust. He does lots of performance cars too. The Midas shop was sticking to actually correct federal emissions law. The exhaust system is part of the emissions system on cars, and can't be changed unless it is approved... Think CARB exemption...

Matt
 
Reply
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 07:17 AM
  #75  
muy_mini's Avatar
muy_mini
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: Albuquerque, NM
Find a local muffler shop that works on performance cars. It's not going to be a chain like Midas, etc. A local muffler shop could use the money and they will be a lot more sympathetic to your needs. I had the work done for 80-something dollars and that included changing out the run from the cat back to the muffler from 2-1/4" to 2-1/2". They even ordered me a mandrel bent [not crimped] elbow for where the second muffler is removed. Have them pre-order you the elbow, if it's not in stock, make an appointment and you'll be out the door in about an hour. Or you can DIY and pay more...
-B

Originally Posted by Kentiki
I've been thinking about the one-ball mod... There's one online vendor that sells the connecting pipe for like $125 (not Myminiparts, i can't remember the name), and they state the entire process can be DIY, only hand tools required. Can this be done without welding? I have decent tools, but not welding expertise/equipment.

If I removed the resonator, cut the pipes, and band clamped a connection in, would that be really "ghetto?"

Ken
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:08 AM.