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Paypal will say from EssentialMINI.co.uk

 

GMcDonnell - PayPal'd 8/10/05 @ 10:17am CDT - payer email address is from turbogeeks.com.

/gary

 

I'm in. May buy one one day, may not. But I am curious. I only fear that after the numbers are out the wars will start up again....
"Well, the xxxxxx numbers are more important"
"Dynos are all wrong for xxxxxx reason"
"This proves nothing"
"I smoked a 911, and that guy was trying, too"

Here is the email address to use when sending money via PayPal, just so you don't have to reread the whole thread to find it.

schiangjett@aol.com

No, I didn't substitute my addy for it!

Cheers!

 

i know that pilo offered an intake for free, but since that design is similar to the alta, wouldn't including the hai instead be of more interest? i might even be willing to sign on if the hai were included. test away!

 

Peter, wonder if you would like to chime in. I got your message but my crappy phone is about to hit the garbage can

I understand your concern about ECU relearning constraints but I don't know how to get around that short of taking the Mini on/off the dyno and driving around for an hour after each run. This is not going to be doable. However, since we are dynoing all examples of intakes one after another, there would be no advantage to any particular design adopting the learning curve faster than another. If anyone has suggestions to make this test more accurate, nows the time to speak up.

For practical reasons, we will be following this test proceedure to minimize removal/installation time. As JS would in the end like to have the AGS install, that will go on last. We think we should not use the heat shield as it may be a hinderance because this is a static test and the shield may cause air restriction:

1-stock
2-stock
3-Pilo
4-Pilo
5-Alta
6-Alta
7-AGS
8-AGS

Sid

 

The Pilo design uses stock intake tube which is comparable to H&K design. We don't know if can accomodate the HAI with the time involved. Plus, we don't have one...I sold mine:smile:

 

I just sent 10 through paypal.

 

here is something to consider:
the so-called "cold air" intakes presumably benefit from sealing against the hood interior, drawing only exterior air;
the stocker does this as well. But the AGS is a suck anything design/

So if the dyno testing is done in comventional mini fashion...hood open and fan blowing on the intercooler...does this make a difference?

any comments or suggestions on how to set up the fans, or not?

 

Good point but I don't know how to get around that. The best thing to do is test them all with the hood open with the same fan.

 

Maybe reset the ECU before each intake is added.....

 

That should put each intake on equal footing.

 

I'm a little late speaking up but I'm in for $10.00. Money sent! Can't wait to see the numbers.

 

Good idea...we can do that. Unless someone can point out why this is not a good idea, we'll incorporate this into our test proceedure :smile:

BTW...you don't need to notify me if you've paided into paypal. I automatically get confirmation emails:smile:

 

Just sent the funds via Paypal.

 

the best thing to do is to test them with the hood closed and a big fan blowing on the front, just like in the real world. that way the cold air systems could do their thing and the AGS would do it's thing. leaving the hood open will let the AGS suck in nice cold air that it otherwise would not get.

 

IMO, the best objective way to test these intakes, and to counter some of the inevitble criticism would be a series of runs like this:

01-stock
02-stock
-break for mock fitting-
03-stock
04-stock
-break for fitting-
05-Pilo
06-Pilo
-break for fitting-
07-Alta
08-Alta
-break for fitting-
09-AGS
10-AGS
-break for fitting-
11-stock
12-stock
-break for beers-

In a perfect world you would test the stock setup after every aftermarket filter to ensure parity with the original run, or to work out a correction factor should the stock runs differ. Indeed the reason for testing the stock setup twice at the start would be to measure any difference in between each set of runs. So the first two runs with the stock filter would be done. Then allow the 30-45mins it would take to change over filters and then run the stock again to see how the car reacts to the heat up cool down period etc. I'd also have thought testing on a completely stock car would be preferential too. And definitely reset the ECU before the first stock run. But anyway, kudos for setting up the test. In my experience on other car forums dyno tests like this generally end in tears, I hope this one doesn't. Just don't expect to please everybody. Good luck with it.

 

Thanks for the tip. In the ideal world, I'd have a personal dyno in my garage 8 runs is the max we can do. We're gonna have a challenge to even secure that amount of straight time. JS is going to talk to owner of the shop tomorrow and see what can be arranged...

 

I just sent money over. Let me know where to send the intake.

 

Please help...I'm unable to take transactions via credit card through paypal. There are two people in this instance and I will go ahead and cancel these transactions. I've sent emails to the two affected. Please, if possible, do not use their credit card option as I am not a premier member and they charge a fee for these types of transaction.

Thanks for your help.
Sid

 

so what's de deal should i send or not??

 

That would be pretty cool!

 

Yes...just use the standard direct bank fund transfer in paypal as opposed to using credit card.

 

I'm in for $10 or whatever it turns out to be. I've been considering the AGS for quite some time and this will be the deciding factor.

 

Been considering the AGS too but being in Australia, it's a bit hard to get a 1st-hand experience of what this intake is all about.
This test should give me (and others) the best possible comparison to make an informed decision.

It's a bit of a shame if they want to withhold the results (even after people from the alta/pilo/neutral/skeptics camps have contributed.
But I guess I can wait even longer, getting used to it.

Kudos to JS and Sid for setting this up, and all the others contributing funds to back it.

 

This may be over the top but the fans can set up eddy currents in the engine compartment that would not exist in actual conditions. Hood closed with as much fan as you can get might be the best because of the flow differences over the intakes.......just something to consider

re. the ECU..... I have reset my ECU many times while having various issues and my experience is it takes a couple of hundred miles to teach the ECU what kind of car it is. The car always runs weak after the ECU has been reset. This came to my mind first thing. Maybe someone from BMW can answer the best way to do this. There are service reps from BMW who specialize in the ECU and could probably give you some useful input.

I'm not sure but I don't think I would reset the ECU....I don't think two runs each is enough for the ECU to make a serious alteration or adaption but hell,.........what do I know......