you having it tuned through the unichip?

 

ci

 

It seems to me there is an easy way to solve all this - somebody with a bone stock MCS should do a few pulls, install the AGS and then do a few more - same dyno - same weather (or as close as possible). Wouldn't that make EVERYBODY happy?

 

I kind of doubt it...

 

If someone did testing on a bone stock MCS to find out what gains this product gave, then we would not be able to speculate how it really makes power only when you do other mods to increase power.

I prefer hearing things like "It didn't seem to do much on my bone stock MINI, but once I added a pulley, chip, new cam, and headers, I could really feel the intake producing more power."

 

Really, I'm not trying to be a trouble maker, M7 seems to be a pretty good shop, but this is one of 5 or more threads beating on the AGS. I think my suggestion would finally put this to bed. I'll gladly voluteer my 05 MCS with no mods other than suspension if somebody wants to send me one .

 

Actually, i've got a 1 week old bone stock Cooper S. I work for a tuning company that does hardware and chip tuning for Volkswagens and Audi's, and I have access to a Dynapack 4 wheel drive chassis dynamometer. I can do back to back before and after runs with and without the AGS. I have seen in other cars how greater volume and a smoother path for the intake tract can have some effect on horsepower readings, so I am curious to see how this system works on the Mini. I don't have any bones to pick with anybody in this arena and would be happy to do this testing in order to put this arguement to bed one way or the other. If the guys at M7 are interested in this, just reply to this post or PM me.

 

And how would that possibly be a bad thing. Speculation is the problem around here lately.

That said, it's certainly not the responsibility of the consumer to do all the dyno testing for the vendor. If a buyer happens to post a dyno plot I'd hope everyone would just accept it as-is and not take it as an opportunity to complain about the methodology.

I just wish every individual didn't feel the need to create a brand new thread every time they install a part. It just brings up the same old questions that have already been discussed in the old threads.

 

You're the man! Let's see the real number! My guess is 30HP gain!

 

Whos beating on the AGS??

 

First off, this isnt a contest... nor is this thread about the meltomatic. I dont know why you insist on bringing up the meltomatic and how bad *** you think it is into every thread. We dont care. No one cares. No one envies you. No even seems to like you. So why dont you do us all a favor and just go away or keep on topic. I could easily afford to do the mods youve done, but I chose not to. I want to see how much power I can get out of the car WITHOUT doing a turbo or nitrous.... that to me is much more fun and a better goal to have.

Second of all, my engine mods really have not been very expensive.
Pulley - $110.
AGS + TB - $600
Header + Cat-back - $1500
A2A IC - $250
Crank Pulley - $150
Unichip - $700.

Thats a hair over $3000. What about you? You like to brag about how much youve spent on the car... so how are you lecturing about bang for the buck?

So, lets get back on topic here. The AGS rocks... power is evident over the HAI. The sound is something incredible. Get yours and you wont be dissapointed. If you are in the bay area and wanna check it out, just send me a PM and we can work something out.

 

AGS is a great design concept, but there are more air restriction behind the supercharger. I'm just curious that what is the best you could do to get the max out off the air filter system alone...20HP?

None of the CAI give you low end power. You will see the best on the redline...and who is driving the car at redline all the time? (at least me) At normal driving for everyday driver I guess make no different.

I think it's alright if you have $600 and don't know what to spend on. I don't think it make much more than 2 hp over Alta or HAI...and that 2 hp come to see you at redline.

Just my opinion...

 

You obviously dont know what the AGS is. It isnt anything like any cold air intake on the market. before this, they were all the exact same concept... the "lets just stick another filter on there and open up that back section". If you take a look at the tube that the AGS replaces, you will see how this can give you a much better throttle response and yes, low end power. It is a straight shot into the supercharger now... no bends, no twists, no 3 feet to move air. With the throttle open, you would be able to look into the supercharger. I am confident that this will provide a considerable amount of power of the Alta (5 hp) and for only $50 more. The sound is much more streetable than the Alta from inside the car. This system actually keeps the sound OUT of the car and into the street.

 

You obviously dont know anything about the engine...beside reading the advertise label on the side of the package.

I think I have seen the pictures of this AGS long time ago and I admit that it's a great concept...but how much better from other CAI would that be?

Yes, there a bottle neck and 3' tube before the supercharger, but how much different would it make?

$50 for 5 hp sounds good, but like I said...at REDLINE!...Oh yeah your $50 will be all the way up there.

Don't get me wrong I like the concept of AGS, but you're trying to sell the AGS make me so skeptical.

 

Im not trying to sell it. I am telling you my opinions and observations.

How much better you asked... the tube alone flowed 10% better than stock... JUST THE TUBE. Take away all the other turns and bends and thats got to make this system at least 15% more efficient than any other CAI.

If I say I notice it down low, I notice it down low. Im not lying, im not making things up, Im telling you my observation. The throttle response is there, and the torque down low is more apparent. Maybe this is the throttle body, but Im sure it also has to do with being able to get air into the engine quicker and easier.

Also remember than I am coming from a HAI, not a CAI. I guess youll have to wait for people's impressions of the AGS over the Alta and the likes.

 

I'm just observing as well. I thought you work for M7 or you get some commission, since you asking people to buy it.

Like I said, I like the design and would be nice to see the number comparison.

 

To clear things up......

Jason does not work for M7, he's not a spokes person for M7, heck he does not
even live close to us.....

A MINI enthusiast is what he is, looking for the edge, better driveability and
as everyone by now know....a fantastic sounding intake

I understand that some of you like to compare the AGS to other CAI, that's great but I did not design the AGS with any other systems in mind, as I wanted
to start with blank slate. The idea is simple in execution, short and straight
air path with nothing except the TB to disturb the air flow. This in theory would be the perfect CAI for the MINI......Is it? I think so.


Some prices of the system has been mentioned and $599.00 seems to be mentioned more then often, yes you could spend that, but that is with a 62mm TB. The prices start at $249 for the system which I think is unbeliveable if you look at how many parts the M7 AGS made up of.

Sorry if I can't hang out and answer all the questions during the day but
both Randy and myself are very busy taking care of business.

peter
M7 = Think Out Side The Box

562-608-8123

 

Peter,

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, if you guys would be interested in independent dyno testing, just let me know. I do it for a living and have the right platform to test on. I can provide dyno sheets, atmospheric conditions, and whatever data you might be interested in. I'm sure folks would love to see the delta on a stock car. Just let me know!

Thanks,
-Matt

 

FACTS, FACTS, FACTS.
Jcampos is just sharing the fact that he really impressed with the products. It is so important for the consumer to give his feedback without being

 

Zactly. People have been asking about it and asking about it... now I finally give feedback and people doubt it!! Get one for yourself if youre going to be a skeptic, thats all im saying. No matter what anyone else says, some people just refuse to believe it.

 

Jason,


Now you know why I generally keep my mouth shut about all the mods.

Even though there are many great things I would like to share about the car, the pain is not worth it.

Peter warned me, but at first I didn't listen.

I, like you, originally thought this was a place for the exchange of information and opinions.

But every opinion has to be defended as though we were in a court of law.

So now I just keep quiet.

Bill

 

Not from this corner! The review is welcome. I think what we have here is just more fallout from the impatience and suspicion that developed during the wait.

Your early adopter impressions are the first step. The dyno work you're about to do is the next. Those of us still sans-AGS are waiting for the rest of the story, so to speak. In a year the AGS will either be the new King (of the intake) Hill or it won't. But for now, your reports are great for filling in the gaps in our understanding.

 

Yeah! we share opinions and informations, so that's why you can see positive and negative and that's a good thing!

 

that's what dyno numbers are for... we have seen how off the butt dyno's are....

 

I have a stock MCS and will be fitting these as soon as they turn up!
Then in two weeks ive got a Launch meet for my website and we are doing a rolling road session with 25 MINIs and im going to stun them with what these two units (16% reduction pulley and AGS)can do combined and will let you all know! Im extremley confident in Peters wise words

I CAN SEE THROUGH THE MIST on this site !!!!!

...and will stand by JCampos comments also i feel ! good on you sir