Drivetrain 19%,380 injectors and GIAC go on today
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The GRSmotorsport intercooler is a beautiful piece of work. Even though I have a single channel IAT gauge, I plan to do some data logging before drawing any conclusions. I suspect its greatest value will be at higher and sustained speeds. You reminded me that I should add the new IC to my list of mods 
you should take some pics for the board... it is a sweet piece
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
Bob... welcome to my world
I talked at length with GIAC and they want nothing to do with highly modded cars.... sigh****
so much for being a "tuner"
I talked at length with GIAC and they want nothing to do with highly modded cars.... sigh****
so much for being a "tuner"
They are refunding my money. I wanted to fix the fault condition and try again but apparently the tone of my posts has alienated them and they would prefer not to deal with me. I will say that I talked with Randy today and he is on board to help get this straitened out. In fairness to Eric at Helix, who I believe to be an honorable, honest guy. He did go out of his way to try to get this resolved and even offerd to "fix" my car at no charge if I could get it to his shop. You can't ask for more. Eric is not happy with me right now but I truly think he is a good guy and deserves my support. I in no way want any of my posts to reflect poorly on him or his company.
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This is true.......I wish I had known that sooner.
They are refunding my money. I wanted to fix the fault condition and try again but apparently the tone of my posts has alienated them and they would prefer not to deal with me. I will say that I talked with Randy today and he is on board to help get this straitened out. In fairness to Eric at Helix, who I believe to be an honorable, honest guy. he did go out of his way to try to get this resolved and offerd to "fix" my car at no charge if I could get it to his shop. You can't ask for more. Eric is not happy with me right now but I truly think he is a good guy and deserves my support. I in no way want any of my posts to reflect poorly on him or his company.
They are refunding my money. I wanted to fix the fault condition and try again but apparently the tone of my posts has alienated them and they would prefer not to deal with me. I will say that I talked with Randy today and he is on board to help get this straitened out. In fairness to Eric at Helix, who I believe to be an honorable, honest guy. he did go out of his way to try to get this resolved and offerd to "fix" my car at no charge if I could get it to his shop. You can't ask for more. Eric is not happy with me right now but I truly think he is a good guy and deserves my support. I in no way want any of my posts to reflect poorly on him or his company.
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Originally Posted by dgszweda1
I don't think anyone took the posts to reflect anything on Eric or Helix. It is funny that GIAC doesn't want to work on highly tuned cars, when you see them designing custom chips for 700hp Porsche 911 turbos. If that isn't highly tuned, I don't know what is.
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I did't take your posts to reflect poorly on Helix either. Anyway, GIAC just doesn't want to mess with the Mini in my humble opinion. Quite sad actually, because ours needs more software fixes than the other cars they are dealing with....... sigh****
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
I did't take your posts to reflect poorly on Helix either. Anyway, GIAC just doesn't want to mess with the Mini in my humble opinion. Quite sad actually, because ours needs more software fixes than the other cars they are dealing with....... sigh****
If I were them, I would probably be watching the continuous stream of version updates put out by MINI and consider very carefully if I really want to be in the business of servicing the ongoing reflash needs of every one I sell. I can't say for sure, but I would guess that the VW / Audi / other folks don't see a new ECU flash applied every time they roll into the dealer for an oil change. 
I know I had GIAC code on both a VR6 Jetta (actual physical EPROM change) and an Audi A4 1.8T (ECU flash). It was a one time deal - VW or Audi never "upgraded" my ECU a single time during the 3 years I owned each car. Both of those GIAC programs were awesome, and didn't give me a single problem, SES light, crap from the dealer, or anything. I completely trust Garret Lim and his abilities in this regard.
My personal experience with Powerchips (via Webb) soured me on the whole ECU flash thing for a number of reasons. #1 - it was an expensive upgrade, but came with the promise of lifetime free upgrades. Well, we all know how that's turned out.
I really wish that the whole Unichip thing was a bit more sorted out and easier to deal with. Again, my concern is with cost and followon customer service.
I guess if I lived close enough to Helix I might go for the GIAC on the MINI, but I'm really considering just staying away from the whole ECU thing on this car.
I know I had GIAC code on both a VR6 Jetta (actual physical EPROM change) and an Audi A4 1.8T (ECU flash). It was a one time deal - VW or Audi never "upgraded" my ECU a single time during the 3 years I owned each car. Both of those GIAC programs were awesome, and didn't give me a single problem, SES light, crap from the dealer, or anything. I completely trust Garret Lim and his abilities in this regard.My personal experience with Powerchips (via Webb) soured me on the whole ECU flash thing for a number of reasons. #1 - it was an expensive upgrade, but came with the promise of lifetime free upgrades. Well, we all know how that's turned out.
I really wish that the whole Unichip thing was a bit more sorted out and easier to deal with. Again, my concern is with cost and followon customer service.
I guess if I lived close enough to Helix I might go for the GIAC on the MINI, but I'm really considering just staying away from the whole ECU thing on this car.
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The folks designing these 'things' should inlcude a performance disclaimer.
If the GIAC cannot work with the extensive modifications spider has in his car for example, then somewhere this information should be readily available. I cannot over promise in my business or mislead, perhaps unintentionally, by pretending I don't see problems. When a product is set for sale in this environment, the designers and sellers ought to have a very clear mind for their market...for better and worse.
If the GIAC cannot work with the extensive modifications spider has in his car for example, then somewhere this information should be readily available. I cannot over promise in my business or mislead, perhaps unintentionally, by pretending I don't see problems. When a product is set for sale in this environment, the designers and sellers ought to have a very clear mind for their market...for better and worse.
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Originally Posted by meb
The folks designing these 'things' should inlcude a performance disclaimer.
If the GIAC cannot work with the extensive modifications spider has in his car for example, then somewhere this information should be readily available. I cannot over promise in my business or mislead, perhaps unintentionally, by pretending I don't see problems. When a product is set for sale in this environment, the designers and sellers ought to have a very clear mind for their market...for better and worse.
If the GIAC cannot work with the extensive modifications spider has in his car for example, then somewhere this information should be readily available. I cannot over promise in my business or mislead, perhaps unintentionally, by pretending I don't see problems. When a product is set for sale in this environment, the designers and sellers ought to have a very clear mind for their market...for better and worse.
That said, kudos for GIAC offering refunds to those who arent happy. Thats a rarity in this industry and I applaud that.
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Originally Posted by conehead
So to recap the GIAC software will not work if you plan on doing anything more than the usual starter mods, intake , pulley etc ?
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No, that's not the case. The GIAC software has the same adaptive range that the stock MINI chip has, which is quite good. The MINI's wide adaptive range has been exemplified by our ability to bolt pulleys on these cars without needing software upgrades.
Properly tuned street cams, unless you are putting in a cam with some wild profiles, do not need custom tuning. The same is true for heads. We have not looked at all of the different heads out there, but the ones that we have seen (Endyn, DPR) are well within the adaptive range of the software. We have also tested the JCW setup with the GIAC with excellent results.
To simplify matters, we will be introducing a head/cam combo that the GIAC is specifically tuned for. If the cam profiles on your car are similar the GIAC will work, but it will be guaranteed to work on our setup.
One thing that can never be tuned is a car with DTCs. If your car has error codes, if it is out of tune, or otherwise broken, it must be fixed before it can be tuned.
Also, custom tuning is very labor intensive, both for the dyno shop doing the datalogging and the tuner writing the code. GIAC is not unwilling to custom tune a car, but you're going to have to pay somebody (or GIAC, if it's on their dyno) to run the dyno and datalog. To do it right, you can expect several hours of dyno time.
GIAC has some tasty new software coming down the pipeline, including work for folks across the pond...
Properly tuned street cams, unless you are putting in a cam with some wild profiles, do not need custom tuning. The same is true for heads. We have not looked at all of the different heads out there, but the ones that we have seen (Endyn, DPR) are well within the adaptive range of the software. We have also tested the JCW setup with the GIAC with excellent results.
To simplify matters, we will be introducing a head/cam combo that the GIAC is specifically tuned for. If the cam profiles on your car are similar the GIAC will work, but it will be guaranteed to work on our setup.
One thing that can never be tuned is a car with DTCs. If your car has error codes, if it is out of tune, or otherwise broken, it must be fixed before it can be tuned.
Also, custom tuning is very labor intensive, both for the dyno shop doing the datalogging and the tuner writing the code. GIAC is not unwilling to custom tune a car, but you're going to have to pay somebody (or GIAC, if it's on their dyno) to run the dyno and datalog. To do it right, you can expect several hours of dyno time.
GIAC has some tasty new software coming down the pipeline, including work for folks across the pond...
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During my conversation with GIAC, I indicated that I was willing to pay for some custom tuning, and mentioned that there were others with the 19% pulley/380cc injectors plus head/cam/etc. who probably would be interested in a more refined package. It was suggested to me that GIAC would need about 3,000 customers to justify the expense on their part. I think the 3,000 figure was a bit hyperbolic because both of us had a little laugh, but the point was still very clear --- GIAC wasn't going beyond what they already have done for the 19% pulley and 380cc injectors!! The market just isn't large enough.
From a business point of view, there aren't enough $$ in doing additional work on the 19% pulley-cars. While there may be boatloads of Minis out there, how many MCS owners will be going the 19% pulley route? There probably is a lot more prestige and future sales potential by doing one super-duper Porsche than a small number of Minis. Furthermore, why invest significant resources in a product that will be replaced by the turbo Mini in the very near future?
FWIW, I was also told by GIAC that the headwork and camshaft (Schrick 264) on my car did require some custom tuning since the existing software for the 19% pulley and 380cc injectors would not work well on my car!
As to the adaptive properties of the software, my experience says that ain't so, or that any adaptation was imperceptible even after over 1200 miles of some very aggressive driving!! BTW, my GIAC software was removed yesterday and my money refunded (thanks). The original software (MTH for the 19% pulley, etc.) was reinstalled, and now the car rocks!! :smile:. While the MTH for my car may not have been developed on the dyno, it sure does work well, especially at the low end. I also contacted Evotech who did my original software upgrade, and they do not have a package for the 19% pulley and indicated a very low order of probability that this would be done. My question for the MTH critics: What should one do for software if the car has a 19% pulley, 380cc injectors, reworked head with performance camshaft, etc.?
Again, the bottom line is the existing GIAC software for the 19% pulley and 380cc injectors will not work well if other mods, e.g., headwork and performance camshaft, exist. Perhaps the setup that Eric is talking about is indeed different, but the proof of the pudding will be in the tasting.
Cheers,
From a business point of view, there aren't enough $$ in doing additional work on the 19% pulley-cars. While there may be boatloads of Minis out there, how many MCS owners will be going the 19% pulley route? There probably is a lot more prestige and future sales potential by doing one super-duper Porsche than a small number of Minis. Furthermore, why invest significant resources in a product that will be replaced by the turbo Mini in the very near future?
FWIW, I was also told by GIAC that the headwork and camshaft (Schrick 264) on my car did require some custom tuning since the existing software for the 19% pulley and 380cc injectors would not work well on my car!
As to the adaptive properties of the software, my experience says that ain't so, or that any adaptation was imperceptible even after over 1200 miles of some very aggressive driving!! BTW, my GIAC software was removed yesterday and my money refunded (thanks). The original software (MTH for the 19% pulley, etc.) was reinstalled, and now the car rocks!! :smile:. While the MTH for my car may not have been developed on the dyno, it sure does work well, especially at the low end. I also contacted Evotech who did my original software upgrade, and they do not have a package for the 19% pulley and indicated a very low order of probability that this would be done. My question for the MTH critics: What should one do for software if the car has a 19% pulley, 380cc injectors, reworked head with performance camshaft, etc.?
Again, the bottom line is the existing GIAC software for the 19% pulley and 380cc injectors will not work well if other mods, e.g., headwork and performance camshaft, exist. Perhaps the setup that Eric is talking about is indeed different, but the proof of the pudding will be in the tasting.
Cheers,
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I obviously won't presume to tell you how your interaction with GIAC went, but it seems that you got some of the wrong impressions from that interaction. As stated above, here is the real bottom line: unless the camshaft and headwork is radical, the GIAC will work. For more details, feel free to call me.
I'm sorry that you had problems with the folks at GIAC, but it sounds like you have your car where you want it now.
I obviously won't presume to tell you how your interaction with GIAC went, but it seems that you got some of the wrong impressions from that interaction. As stated above, here is the real bottom line: unless the camshaft and headwork is radical, the GIAC will work. For more details, feel free to call me.
I'm sorry that you had problems with the folks at GIAC, but it sounds like you have your car where you want it now.
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Originally Posted by Helix13mini
No, that's not the case. The GIAC software has the same adaptive range that the stock MINI chip has, which is quite good. The MINI's wide adaptive range has been exemplified by our ability to bolt pulleys on these cars without needing software upgrades.
Properly tuned street cams, unless you are putting in a cam with some wild profiles, do not need custom tuning. The same is true for heads. We have not looked at all of the different heads out there, but the ones that we have seen (Endyn, DPR) are well within the adaptive range of the software. We have also tested the JCW setup with the GIAC with excellent results.
To simplify matters, we will be introducing a head/cam combo that the GIAC is specifically tuned for. If the cam profiles on your car are similar the GIAC will work, but it will be guaranteed to work on our setup.
One thing that can never be tuned is a car with DTCs. If your car has error codes, if it is out of tune, or otherwise broken, it must be fixed before it can be tuned.
Also, custom tuning is very labor intensive, both for the dyno shop doing the datalogging and the tuner writing the code. GIAC is not unwilling to custom tune a car, but you're going to have to pay somebody (or GIAC, if it's on their dyno) to run the dyno and datalog. To do it right, you can expect several hours of dyno time.
GIAC has some tasty new software coming down the pipeline, including work for folks across the pond...
Properly tuned street cams, unless you are putting in a cam with some wild profiles, do not need custom tuning. The same is true for heads. We have not looked at all of the different heads out there, but the ones that we have seen (Endyn, DPR) are well within the adaptive range of the software. We have also tested the JCW setup with the GIAC with excellent results.
To simplify matters, we will be introducing a head/cam combo that the GIAC is specifically tuned for. If the cam profiles on your car are similar the GIAC will work, but it will be guaranteed to work on our setup.
One thing that can never be tuned is a car with DTCs. If your car has error codes, if it is out of tune, or otherwise broken, it must be fixed before it can be tuned.
Also, custom tuning is very labor intensive, both for the dyno shop doing the datalogging and the tuner writing the code. GIAC is not unwilling to custom tune a car, but you're going to have to pay somebody (or GIAC, if it's on their dyno) to run the dyno and datalog. To do it right, you can expect several hours of dyno time.
GIAC has some tasty new software coming down the pipeline, including work for folks across the pond...
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Originally Posted by Helix13mini
In reading your comment about adaptive properties, I think that you misunerstand what we mean. We are not talking about a seat-of-the-pants change in performance over time. We are talking about safe operating conditions for the car. Google short term fuel trim and long term fuel trim for more information.
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Giac...
Originally Posted by Helix13mini
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I obviously won't presume to tell you how your interaction with GIAC went, but it seems that you got some of the wrong impressions from that interaction. As stated above, here is the real bottom line: unless the camshaft and headwork is radical, the GIAC will work. For more details, feel free to call me.
In reading your comment about adaptive properties, I think that you misunerstand what we mean. We are not talking about a seat-of-the-pants change in performance over time. We are talking about safe operating conditions for the car. Google short term fuel trim and long term fuel trim for more information.
I'm sorry that you had problems with the folks at GIAC, but it sounds like you have your car where you want it now.
I obviously won't presume to tell you how your interaction with GIAC went, but it seems that you got some of the wrong impressions from that interaction. As stated above, here is the real bottom line: unless the camshaft and headwork is radical, the GIAC will work. For more details, feel free to call me.
In reading your comment about adaptive properties, I think that you misunerstand what we mean. We are not talking about a seat-of-the-pants change in performance over time. We are talking about safe operating conditions for the car. Google short term fuel trim and long term fuel trim for more information.
I'm sorry that you had problems with the folks at GIAC, but it sounds like you have your car where you want it now.
Thanks for your comments, however, I was told by both the key people at GIAC that I would need custom tuning. Perhaps part of the problem is the definition of the word "radical". If you include the 264 Schrick camshaft in your definition, then I guess my car is "radical". Would a ported/polished head with stock valves be radical? How about a ported/polished supercharger? I'm not trying to be contentious, because you had been very helpful to me during several of my phone calls. I'm just trying to learn more about this area, and I shall also do some reading on fuel trim, as you suggested.
I don't have problems with the folks at GIAC, because they were most courteous and even willing to refund my money. Unfortunately, they did offer to have the software tuned for my car, but changed their mind. I can understand this from a business perspective, however, I am most disappointed since I was hoping to have some really specific software. As stated in my previous post, the cost wasn't even a major factor for me.
Again, thanks for your help and input....
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Originally Posted by Helix13mini
I spoke with Garrett last night. No communication breakdown.
I am not interested in something that will adapt to a safe operating zone but rather something that will maximize the performance of the mods on my car. Isn't that what this is all about. If I wanted less I would have stayed stock.
At this point I have gone way over board to try and be benevolent and indeed gracious.
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spider, let me understand this: you went to GIAC to get more mod specific tuning having had less than stellar performance with the previous GIAC install; during this entire process, you had a recurring thrown code, source yet undetermined and problem still not resolved. sounds to me like you got the cart before the horse.
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GIAC is in the business or tuning some pretty hign end, high performance cars; I guess a mini project with the poetntial for, what 10-20hp just doesn't spark their interest like sy 100 hp from a monster car. I saw the
Rides program tonight, they were building a very far out
1969 Mustang...sigh, hp in the 800 range.
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GIAC is in the business or tuning some pretty hign end, high performance cars; I guess a mini project with the poetntial for, what 10-20hp just doesn't spark their interest like sy 100 hp from a monster car. I saw the
Rides program tonight, they were building a very far out
1969 Mustang...sigh, hp in the 800 range.
booyahkasash
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For those seeking the ultimate in motor control...
check out www.fuelairspark.com. From thier web site...
Our top-of-the-line Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection system, designed for those who demand maximum power and tuning, utilizes the newest available technology to individually fire each injector and optimize fuel delivery. It can be configured with a Wide Band O2 Sensor, individual fuel/spark control for each cylinder, and a two-stage nitrous control. Both systems are easily programmable with our user-friendly FAST C-Com®or C-Com WP™ software and a PC-based laptop computer (386 and higher), allowing you to take full advantage of performance cams, nitrous systems, superchargers or any other mechanical improvements you’ve made. FAST™ also offers a full line of precision fuel injectors and fuel management system components, plus a complete range of accessories like nitrous oxide harnesses and Wide Band O2 harnesses. Not to mention your choice of fuel regulators and high capacity fuel pumps. Nowhere else will you find such a wide array of proven performance products in one place.
The technological breakthroughs continue with two new products: the patent-pending eDIST® electronic distributor, an easily programmable unit that controls multiple coils on virtually any engine, and the advanced remote ECU Data Logger,™ which helps you analyze and modify a wide range of performance parameters. Find out about these exciting, cutting edge products and much more in the pages that follow.
End of web quote. Anyway, this isn't an ADD-ON, it's a replacement. There are many out there, but this one is used in the Mustang world, and GM as well. I'd love it if someone would take the plunge..... It may need different sensors etc. but a motor is just an air-pump.
Matt
ps, smog would be a pain.......
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If you're interested in modeling engines, and wonder how someone can tune a motor they've never seen, look at the link below....
http://www.proracingsim.com/
Our top-of-the-line Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection system, designed for those who demand maximum power and tuning, utilizes the newest available technology to individually fire each injector and optimize fuel delivery. It can be configured with a Wide Band O2 Sensor, individual fuel/spark control for each cylinder, and a two-stage nitrous control. Both systems are easily programmable with our user-friendly FAST C-Com®or C-Com WP™ software and a PC-based laptop computer (386 and higher), allowing you to take full advantage of performance cams, nitrous systems, superchargers or any other mechanical improvements you’ve made. FAST™ also offers a full line of precision fuel injectors and fuel management system components, plus a complete range of accessories like nitrous oxide harnesses and Wide Band O2 harnesses. Not to mention your choice of fuel regulators and high capacity fuel pumps. Nowhere else will you find such a wide array of proven performance products in one place.
The technological breakthroughs continue with two new products: the patent-pending eDIST® electronic distributor, an easily programmable unit that controls multiple coils on virtually any engine, and the advanced remote ECU Data Logger,™ which helps you analyze and modify a wide range of performance parameters. Find out about these exciting, cutting edge products and much more in the pages that follow.
End of web quote. Anyway, this isn't an ADD-ON, it's a replacement. There are many out there, but this one is used in the Mustang world, and GM as well. I'd love it if someone would take the plunge..... It may need different sensors etc. but a motor is just an air-pump.
Matt
ps, smog would be a pain.......
Added in edit.....
If you're interested in modeling engines, and wonder how someone can tune a motor they've never seen, look at the link below....
http://www.proracingsim.com/
Last edited by Dr Obnxs; Mar 10, 2005 at 06:24 PM. Reason: Added link to simulation SW.
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Cheese,
I guess I expect folks to anticipate how their product will be used and therefore to express performance limitations based on the extremes in their market place. when I glance thru my Tire Rack catalogue for example, several tire species come with a disclaimer - not to be used in snow. Now, I don't have to know why, might be nice if I did. But I won't be tempted to buy those tires if I want to drive in the snow. I feel the same is true with products sold for the Mini; if an ECU is designed to work within given parameters, define these within the marketing. This is possible, but perhaps not from a marketing perspective...although better than refunding money.
Dubious reputations are earned in this process un-nessessarily and perhaps unfairly. The underdog here is communication. The victims, GIAC/Helix and a few of their clients. Sad commentary.
I guess I expect folks to anticipate how their product will be used and therefore to express performance limitations based on the extremes in their market place. when I glance thru my Tire Rack catalogue for example, several tire species come with a disclaimer - not to be used in snow. Now, I don't have to know why, might be nice if I did. But I won't be tempted to buy those tires if I want to drive in the snow. I feel the same is true with products sold for the Mini; if an ECU is designed to work within given parameters, define these within the marketing. This is possible, but perhaps not from a marketing perspective...although better than refunding money.
Dubious reputations are earned in this process un-nessessarily and perhaps unfairly. The underdog here is communication. The victims, GIAC/Helix and a few of their clients. Sad commentary.
Originally Posted by macncheese
Good luck! Most wont even promise what it WILL do, let alone what it WONT do.
That said, kudos for GIAC offering refunds to those who arent happy. Thats a rarity in this industry and I applaud that.
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That said, kudos for GIAC offering refunds to those who arent happy. Thats a rarity in this industry and I applaud that.
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Originally Posted by jlm
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GIAC is in the business or tuning some pretty hign end, high performance cars; I guess a mini project with the poetntial for, what 10-20hp just doesn't spark their interest like sy 100 hp from a monster car. I saw the
Rides program tonight, they were building a very far out
1969 Mustang...sigh, hp in the 800 range.
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booyahkasash
Recoop:
GIAC is in the business or tuning some pretty hign end, high performance cars; I guess a mini project with the poetntial for, what 10-20hp just doesn't spark their interest like sy 100 hp from a monster car. I saw the
Rides program tonight, they were building a very far out
1969 Mustang...sigh, hp in the 800 range.
......
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booyahkasash
BTW, I thought it was "booyakasha" (my attempt at phonetics
)
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Of course GIAC would "deny" a customer's request for custom programming. If they openly accepted all requests for custom software, then the software that appeals to the masses would be further delayed.
GIAC is a company that is dependent upon their dealers. If I, or any dealer, asked GIAC to write a custom program because I had 5 customers that were interested, then more than likely they would do it. They know that I would be able to push the software and that their other dealers around the world would be able to as well.
GIAC is a company that is dependent upon their dealers. If I, or any dealer, asked GIAC to write a custom program because I had 5 customers that were interested, then more than likely they would do it. They know that I would be able to push the software and that their other dealers around the world would be able to as well.
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Codes have been coming and going through the process. The dealer had no fix for the stumble
Originally Posted by jlm
spider, let me understand this: you went to GIAC to get more mod specific tuning having had less than stellar performance with the previous GIAC install; during this entire process, you had a recurring thrown code, source yet undetermined and problem still not resolved. sounds to me like you got the cart before the horse.
Not exactly.
My car has had the yo-yo stumbles ever since 39 was installed by the dealer. My mods were done not only for performance but to try and smooth out the engine as well. My car would give a code that would come and go but the performance of the engine did not perceptibly change. I called the dealer and he said if the car seemed to be running OK it is probably ok and we'll check it next time (The Unichip was installed in the car.) I figured that the reason for the code may have something to do with the mods and that the Unichip had not been changed since the header/head/cam were installed. I had been reading on this forum all the good success that people were having with GIAC. It was my hope that getting GIAC installed the car would have an optimized program (I went 19%/380s at the same time) and I would get much better performance etc. possibly smooth out my engine and get all the benefits of 19%. The code (my admitted mistake) was not properly taken into account. The install was done and car ran far more poorly than with the UNichip and 15% in all areas including throttle response, low end, mid range power etc. I had asked Eric before buying GIAC about the custom tuning if necessary and was informed of the "adaptive" qualities of GIAC. The fact that the car has code issues (which we are chasing both with the dealer and R Speed/Randy and Eric did not know at the time of install) is the reason I am told that the GIAC was not performing well. I was confused by this because the UNichip was not perceptibly affected by the code. Anyway, Eric told me that Garret told him to give me my money back. There are a lot more fine issues and time related events for those who want the minute details but this is the readers digest version.
Recoop:
GIAC is in the business or tuning some pretty hign end, high performance cars; I guess a mini project with the poetntial for, what 10-20hp just doesn't spark their interest like sy 100 hp from a monster car. I saw the
Rides program tonight, they were building a very far out
1969 Mustang...sigh, hp in the 800 range.
booyahkasash
Not exactly.
My car has had the yo-yo stumbles ever since 39 was installed by the dealer. My mods were done not only for performance but to try and smooth out the engine as well. My car would give a code that would come and go but the performance of the engine did not perceptibly change. I called the dealer and he said if the car seemed to be running OK it is probably ok and we'll check it next time (The Unichip was installed in the car.) I figured that the reason for the code may have something to do with the mods and that the Unichip had not been changed since the header/head/cam were installed. I had been reading on this forum all the good success that people were having with GIAC. It was my hope that getting GIAC installed the car would have an optimized program (I went 19%/380s at the same time) and I would get much better performance etc. possibly smooth out my engine and get all the benefits of 19%. The code (my admitted mistake) was not properly taken into account. The install was done and car ran far more poorly than with the UNichip and 15% in all areas including throttle response, low end, mid range power etc. I had asked Eric before buying GIAC about the custom tuning if necessary and was informed of the "adaptive" qualities of GIAC. The fact that the car has code issues (which we are chasing both with the dealer and R Speed/Randy and Eric did not know at the time of install) is the reason I am told that the GIAC was not performing well. I was confused by this because the UNichip was not perceptibly affected by the code. Anyway, Eric told me that Garret told him to give me my money back. There are a lot more fine issues and time related events for those who want the minute details but this is the readers digest version.
Recoop:
GIAC is in the business or tuning some pretty hign end, high performance cars; I guess a mini project with the poetntial for, what 10-20hp just doesn't spark their interest like sy 100 hp from a monster car. I saw the
Rides program tonight, they were building a very far out
1969 Mustang...sigh, hp in the 800 range.
booyahkasash