Watching Sports Car Revolution and they tested a oil additive and gained 9HP (I think). I'm trying to find out what additive it was as it went by too fast. Any help?

Paul

 

yeah.. .it's called the BS additive.... you will believe that but yet you won't believe actual dyno sheets?

 

They did a dyno. WHy else would I be looking it up. You see they did it properly, a before and after with the only change being the additive. Care to remove that foot from your mouth?

Paul

 

that would be a NO.... and there is a an old saying but you wouldn't believe it anyway...

 

They were as amazed and disbelieving as I was. Hence the need for further research.

If you got a problem with me take to PM or please put me on your ignore list. You just made mine.

Paul

 

I didn't see the episode and I am very skeptical about all these snake oil additives on the market. But I will point out that synthetic motor oils (which come standard in our MINIs) have been proven to make an improvement in HP and fuel economy. A slight one, admittedly, but measurable. There is a lot of friction inside a motor, and there's the added cost of pumping oil through all those passageways...

But 9hp? That's pretty hard to swallow!

A lot of these automotive programs on Speed Channel are little more than infomercials. I want to see more data - from an independent lab.

 

exactly.... he has never dyno'd a mini so he has no clue how hard it is to get 9hp out of it.... it takes cubic $$$s to get hp out of this car...

 

ROFL.

 

you trying to start something mister? LOL......

 

Statistics class taught me you need to have a sample base of 30 to get a good idea of what's going on. So I'd like to see 30 MCs and another 30 MCSs dynoed before and after with this "mystery fluid".

 

Just trying to find out what it was so I can look into it further.

But thanks for all the kind words.

Its probably some sort of teflon etc.

Its funny how the dyno, the be all and end all is super accurate fro when you want a certain result, bu then when something crops up against what you believe the dyed in the wool dyno fans start screaming BS. How hypocritical.
Of course they did a baseline and then afterwards...I get it..you guy only believe one dyno. Not a before and after.

Paul

 

Someone seems to have issues when everyone else seems to have a differing answer from him....hmmmmmmmmmm

 

How about we move beyond the 9 hp claim, and just look at the basic question of whether oil additives could increase horsepower?

If you have anything productive to add to that discussion please post.

 

The point everyone is trying to make is that these types of additives do usually claim unbelievable results. I saw the program last night and, no, I don't believe it either. If anything, diluting the oil with this stuff might have produced some small gain but I really don't believe their claims.

You asked for people's input and you've gotten it. If you still want to try the stuff then, by all means, give it a go. You should be able to find the name of the stuff by going to the show's website.

 

Add acetone to your oil!!! Really, the protection from oil comes with friction. Race cars use strait 30 wt (or higher) because of the loads on the surfaces. If you put some 70 wt gear oil in the motor, dyno it, then add a solvent (or go to 5W20), you sure will see a big increase in HP (how much, I don't really know).
In general, the firction reducing aditives pay for the increased HP (usually it's a MPG claim) with either reduced protection, or something that doesn't last as long as the oil, or has other issues (like some of the moly disufide products reducing oil flow via clogging filters and passeges). But when you look deeper (lite PTFE 0or Teflon "bonding to the pores of the metal") this is when the BS meter gets pegged.
Did they make the improvement they claimed in the show? Maybe...
did the do it in a fair and honest way (like a double blind experiment)? Nope.
does that mean the numbers are BS? No, but one should be wary...
And will the benefit last a long time? One day at the dyno doesn't say much
And did this benefit come with no increased wear to the motor? No information.

So, as far as El having a foot in his mouth? There really isn't enough data to tell, but his experience with power generation shouldn't be ignored. Also, if there really were this magic bullet, wouldn't we all be using it already? While I don't know for sure, this sounds like the 300 mpg carborator GM had but killed to keep gas milage low and other such stories.

When I was younger, I tried the slick 50s and the like. They pretty all come down to either PTFE (Teflon is the trade name) or Moly. Amd a big add budget!

Matt

 

Thank, I went to the show's website they didn't have it. I didn't ask for any inpu, just what the product was. You people are putting more into my posts than is there.

Here is the post, notice just a request for what the product was. No judgments, just want to see what they were claiming and trying to find the dyno plot diff's.

Just trying to find out what it is. Everyone else here jumped in with their 2cents.
Edited to add: It wasn't on their website.


Paul

 

When the price of admission is nothing!

Also, lots of people have spent tons of time trying to get power out of our cars. Imaging the embarrasement if 300 hp were only a pint away!

there is one (I think it's called Duralube) that does infomercials late night on UHF... They have this machine that rubs two pieces of metal togheter, and you add the duralube, and no more scoring! I don't know it they are the same products, but you can Google that, and then look for other things that have the same general description.

Car nuts are focused, if nothing else. You do some Googling, nd I be you find lots of other forums with this exact discussion, caused by that exact show! One of them may remeber the product name.

Also, I don't think anyone is calling anyone an idiot, maybe just forcefull "don't waiste your time" or "if it sounds too good....."

Whatever. If you find it and it works, please let us all know. If you find it and it doesn't work, we'd like to here that as well.

Matt

 

I'm not putting anything into my mini, just trying to find out more. No more no less. Might put it in the KIA or one of my older cars for giggles.
I have never put any additives in any of my vehicles. I am interested in what this is, I only caught the last part of the sequence of the show. I always think sceptical, that its BS. But would like to read more on it, even the sales info from the company. THe 2 numbers I remember was 9hp and 5%. I also remember the host being incredulous as he thought all this stuff was BS.



Paul

 

I saw the show and I think the product was "exp3" or "exp2" or something like that. The hosts attributed the purported hp gain to a (big) reduction in friction. I believe they did three dyno runs before the additive, then just one (they just showed one at least) after the additive. The vehicle was a big truck; don't know what the gain was in percent.

 

And unless the motor is made out of some perfect material, they'll pay for the decreased friction with increase wear. That's just the way it works.

Matt

ps, maybe it WAS just acetone!

 

9 hp maybe doable, but my guess is that it's REAL rare, some mystery parts may claim to make 'as much as' 20 hp, but read the fine line and you can also say that it can make 'as much as' 0 hp! 'claiming 9 hp' while we got no data where the dyno was done, the temperature and other ambient factors, as well as what kinda car it was on, there's too little to go on...

im with el on this... most likely bs fluid that gains 9 hp on 1% of all the cars on the planet, possible that it also has other things put into the motor to make the 9 hp... it could've just as easily make 9 hp from an intake, then just throw in the fluid and then just 'mysteriously' forget to mention the new intake...

 

Found a website : http://www.exp4additives.com/default.asp

Also the one lap of america had a little info. However the mention a fuel additive. That would be asure way to get an increase. I don't know if they did that in the show. Oh well not enough info.

Paul

 

Could always put flour in the engine like someone mentioned here:


http://www.camelsquadron.com/messhal...hp?a=topic&t=4

(It's about how to make gokarts faster.)

 

Hmmm... interesting idea. How does reducing engine friction increase wear?

 

using botht he fuel and the oil additives, 2.2% increase in MPG. the fuel additive claims are pretty standard:
decreased deposits, increased atomization, improved burn..... But remeber, adding a bottle of this EVERY TANK isn't cheap. (I'd guess about a 10% increase in cost.... So at a 2.2% increase in MPG, it COSTS more to use the gas additive than to just pay for the gas!)
So, the independant test did reveal a benefit, but smaller than claimed in the tv show. And as far as I can tel, one that COST more than it saves.

The Oil additive is more of a one shot deal, so the costs don't keep adding up like the gas. But if the gas additive does nothing, then the best the oil did was a 2.2% increase in MPG. 10W30 to 5W30 should do just that as well.

Matt