I would like to know of all the companies currently working/offering turbo or twincharging kits for the mcs I only know of two

Helix 13 $4800
Mini madness $6000

 

SPI Power Excel

 

I heard there was another company called ISP in central Jersey offering one, and another called PIS in the Princeton area. :smile:

 

If I am correct the MINI Madness Kit is the the same kit that SPI designed and sells. Both kits are twincharged.



Danny

 

Webb Motorsports/M7 are working on a twincharged kit in the near future.... I also recall reading that Randy has been working on a Turbo system for the MCS that REPLACES the supercharger.

 

I hope the pricing will start getting competitive and not stay around the $5500+ install mark

 

you have to remember what it is competing against

JCW kit about $5800 and about 35whp
Twincharge kit $5850 and 100whp

 

5800.oo for 35 hp is a ripoff.
jmtc....ymmv
Cris

 

They can do it cuz you keep your warranty.... only reason people pay for the JCW

 

Yup, true story.

 

It is one of the reason for many people, but not the only reason.

 

jcw kit is a great product but i think you are only buying the name and warranty lets not forget that we do not get any rebates/ incentives on the MINI so they can charge us whatever they want. Even the Dinan products where we pay about $700 for the exhaust and the dealer only pays $380. The more companies offer us turbo and twincharging kits for the mcs the more competitive the pricing should get (i hope). JCW kit is not a turbo and I wouldn't compare it to that kind of upgrade.

 

I seriously doubt the two kits are being cross shopped. Those that are going to mod to this extreme are not thinking of JCW.

it's comparing apples and oranges.

Seriously, you have the kit, did you consider dropping your mods and going JCW before twin charging?


Paul

 

no... I just added to them

 

I need to clarify, Did you consider JCW instead of Twincharging?

Thats my point, those that consider twin charging are not shopping JCW or this. SO the only comparisons in price should between after market.

Paul

 

Why would I go to JCW and make less HP than the mods I currently had before twincharging?

 

Thats my point. You posted that the system is in competition with the JCW for price. Its not. SOmeone that is shopping for twin charging is not going to be looking at JCW. SO the twin charge kit is not competing against the JCW kit. You can only really comparison shop thing that you would alternatively buy.


Paul

 

I look at it as dollars/hp gained along with the scale of the hp gain.

Here for twincharging we're looking at around $60/hp. To me that's a smokin' deal.

For $165/hp from the JCW? Ouch! This is the primary reason why the JCW kit was not on my upgrade wish-list (nor is it on the upgrade withlist for a lot of other people). Sure there's definately a market for the JCW, just like there's a market for a $200. pair of Nike tennis shoes. But not that many people are willing to pay for it.

 

FWIW, in the Miata world (a very mature market), ~$5K is the going rate for a quality turbo system (w/IC, etc.), so I wouldn't expect top kits to go for much less. There will probably be a few that go for less, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

I don't think the kit makers are getting that fat:
parts list, and I'm just guessing:
ball bearing turbo $900
custom exhaust manifold: $500
injectors: $400
fuel management: $6-700;
wastegate, blowoff valve: $500
boost control $500
misc special hoses and fittings for oil, air routing, $400;
pulley: $150,
options like intercooler, aquamist, etc. $$

that's up to about $3,900 +.

what is it worth for the R&D, development, aftersale follow-up?

go ahead and put your own kit together, save big bucks!

 

Look, IF...... I wouldn't have already done the other upgrades I WOULDN'T have done all of the other engine mods for just a SC engine.... price matters

 

What I am saying is: Those people (me included) that buy/bought the JCW are not looking at he Twin Charged option. The other people, you included, that went the self mod route that would look at twin charging would not buy the JCW kit.

So to compare the two prices is a joke. Neither group would buy the others kit. it isn't what they were looking for. Why not just compare the kits price to a Subie Wrx STi or some other expensive car that has similiar horspower to the kit for that matter.

If someone is shopping on price alone JCW not a candidate. If someone is looking for HP alone JCW doesn't make it as a candidate. The reasons to buy are JCW kit aren't in the reasons to buy a twi charger setup.

So how can you compare the two? They are different markets.

Its like the Jeep cherokee commercial comparing itself to the 318i as it out accelerates it. How many people are cross shopping those two? I'd bet Zero. Just the same way someone contemplating twin charging is not thinking oh wait I'd rather have the JCW. The person going for the Twin charging wouldn't even think of the JCW. And the JCW people aren't thinking twin charging.


Paul

 

Paul..... since you were "digging" for an answer you didn't get... why didn't you just come clean from the start and save the drama?

 

Yeah, how long do you think that "twin charged"mini is going to last, yet alone the engine-2 days? Get real.

At least John Cooper Works is test again and again for reliabilty and duriblity for this kind of thing. It is also made out of QUALITY materials. I know which aftermarket companies are worthwhile, and JCW happens to be one of them.

 

LOL, I was upfront from the beginning. Its you that wants to pull out the smoke an mirrors and compare apples and oranges.

So I'm sorry if trying clarify my postion was too dramatic for you.

So since you say I didn't get the answer I want. You actually were considering the JCW kit instead of the twin charge set up you have?


Paul