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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 06:27 AM
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I want more torque!

Now I have...
- 15%
- Exhaust
- CAI
...then what's next should I do to get more torque at 2000-3000 RPM?

My buddy drop one chip in his VW GTI 1.8T and get 210hp!!! How come MINI is so hard to tune?
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 06:35 AM
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Plenty of Torque

Since you already have a 15% pulley you might want to drive an MCS with the 19% pulley and see if there is more torque. I have the 19% pulley and have plenty of low-end torque with no negative effects. If you got a two part pulley then it is not too difficult to upgrade, unfortunately you will need the new front pulley section ($80) and a new belt.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 06:58 AM
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How long have you had 19% pulley on your car? Did you do Chip tunning? I'm thinking of 19% or twincharge...
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:08 PM
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19% pulley the only way to go.

Hitting 60k miles today. Had the 15% on from 11k-26k miles and the 19% since 26k miles. No problems. Absolutely love it - it really transforms the car if it's a daily driver. The extra torque is felt every time you hit the gas. I've posted a bunch of little stories about my 19% such as passing someone uphill on an interstate in 6th gear and thinking I had to be in 4th and making a 90 degree right turn at an intersection and keeping it in 3rd gear...well today came a new one. It's really cold today - was 10 degrees this morning. The gear shifter was a tad stiff. Well from a DEAD STOP at a stop sign, I started in THIRD gear. Didn't even give it much gas and NO stumble, hiccup, stalling...NOTHING. No problem. A lot of MCSs don't go that smoothly off the line in first gear!

I don't have tuning yet but hopefully will get the GIAC ECU (with injectors) for Christmas. With just 15%, intake and exhaust I was very unsatisfied with low-end power and wanted an ECU and probably much more. But after the switch to 19%, low-end was so much improved, that I knew an ECU would be my last mod. With the delay in the GIAC ECU, I've come to the conclusion that my MINI is pretty much perfect now and I really don't NEED any more power. And at 60k miles I have a hard time justifying the cost. So I'm hoping my wife gets it for me or gets me a nice Helix gift certificate!

Bottom line: NOTHING AVAILABLE will improve LOW-END torque like the 19%. And the best part is that it's a cheap mod too!
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:20 PM
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greatgro,

I think 19% is the only answer to this. I will have to wait to see mow much money I have left after christmas.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:20 PM
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Well, turbo's are a lot easier to tune. :smile:

but I do agree that even with the 15%, it's barely acceptable as a
performance car acceleration wise.



Originally Posted by MyPocketRocket
Now I have...
- 15%
- Exhaust
- CAI
...then what's next should I do to get more torque at 2000-3000 RPM?

My buddy drop one chip in his VW GTI 1.8T and get 210hp!!! How come MINI is so hard to tune?
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MyPocketRocket
Now I have...
- 15%
- Exhaust
- CAI
...then what's next should I do to get more torque at 2000-3000 RPM?

My buddy drop one chip in his VW GTI 1.8T and get 210hp!!! How come MINI is so hard to tune?
turbos are much easier to tune via a chip than a supercharged engine. That is because boost is controlled on the chip for a turbocharged car, and boost is only mechanically controlled on a supercharged car.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dgszweda1
turbos are much easier to tune via a chip than a supercharged engine. That is because boost is controlled on the chip for a turbocharged car, and boost is only mechanically controlled on a supercharged car.
He's right. That's the big difference in ECU tuning.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MyPocketRocket
Now I have...
- 15%
- Exhaust
- CAI
...then what's next should I do to get more torque at 2000-3000 RPM?

My buddy drop one chip in his VW GTI 1.8T and get 210hp!!! How come MINI is so hard to tune?
Hint:

 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:36 PM
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Do you have it set up to spray at 2000-3000 rpm?
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by andy@ross-tech.com
Do you have it set up to spray at 2000-3000 rpm?
Stomp on it at any rpm (as long as it's WOT) and it's on
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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MSFITOY,

That's a great project you're working on! Where to fill the tank up? WOT! I bet DSC is not gonna help anything with your setup.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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MSFITOY,

That's a great project you're working on! Where to fill the tank up? WOT! I bet DSC is not gonna help anything with your setup.
Thanks Ramchargers can fill NO2 bottles. My DSC is always turned off and has never been used. Mint condition
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 03:14 PM
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You've got to tune the motor....

Originally Posted by MyPocketRocket
Now I have...
- 15%
- Exhaust
- CAI
...then what's next should I do to get more torque at 2000-3000 RPM?

My buddy drop one chip in his VW GTI 1.8T and get 210hp!!! How come MINI is so hard to tune?
The mini isn't harder to tune, but there are less tuning tools! I found that MTH software did better in the lower RPMs than with peak numbers, so if you don't have much $$$, you can start there. For a given cam, cam timing, intake, motor geometry etc there's only so much you can do...

Remember, that 1.8T is in everything under the sun! There are lot's more options for the product, because there are many more customers for the options!

To do it the best, get a dyno tune from someone who knows what they're doing. look for a Unichip or equivalent tuner in your area. You now have a car that's set up so that it NEEDS improved tunes to maximize the power....

But without tuning the ECU, you aren't even getting the power from the mods you've already paid for!

Matt
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Stomp on it at any rpm (as long as it's WOT) and it's on
The nitrous kits I worked in the past usually asked that the user
turn it on after 4.5k rpm or so on a 7k rpm redline motor... but is
yours okay because its the Venum kit?


I got tired of filling up those bottles all the time and just got a
car with a turbo charger and larger displacement.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchan
The nitrous kits I worked in the past usually asked that the user
turn it on after 4.5k rpm or so on a 7k rpm redline motor... but is
yours okay because its the Venum kit?


I got tired of filling up those bottles all the time and just got a
car with a turbo charger and larger displacement.
That's a good question for Peter and El Diablito. I haven't used it yet but I'm thinking that because it is computer controlled, it would be fairly safe. You guys with the Venom/Mini, please do chime in.
 
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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I want MTH real bad, but god must not like me..... I don't have a PC. ...eventhough I could run virtual PC on my mac, but there is no USB support to upload to the car.
 
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