I have a document stating that the block of the neon engine is exactly the same as the factory Mini's. If this is the case, is it possible to install a 230 hp, 2.4 liter turbocharged neon engine into the bay of the Mini? An additional $870 in computer chip and injector fittings will give the engine a total of about 270 hp. Included is the link for the engine information. Let me know.
Umaxen@aol.com link as follows: http://www.allpar.com/mopar/rover.html

 

The Tritec 1.6L MINI motor is actually the European Neon motor (US spec Neons use a new 2.0L). Both from Chrysler/BMW's plant in Brazil. I doubt (given routing complexity) that the larger 2.4 would fit in the already tight MINI engine bay. I'd like to see it done though

 

I think you misread this OLD article that is not what they are saying;
"The 1.6 is used in both the BMW Mini and the Chrysler Neon (depending on the country, the Neon is available with the 1.6, the 1.8 (a downsized 2.0) - or the 2.0 as the base engine). Chrysler wrote that the 1.6 is totally unrelated to the 2.0, but that may have been a mistake."
They are saying the 1.8 is a down sized 2.0, the 1.6 is not the same engine.
Many expect BMW to switch the Mini to a European-sourced engine, largely, some say, because of the emnity between BMW and Mercedes.
The bone of contention.

 

No, the 2.4L is a Mitsu truck motor.

 

Ok men... I have a thread about a 2.4 liter Neon motor. I have done some measuring and low and behold! The bolt pattern is the same... Now, lets see. All I need is a Mini cooper with a blown engine and a demolished Neon srt-4. Trust me, I am going to get the engine in there, and as soon as I do I will post it up. I am sending a factory Dodge MOPAR website for the Neon 2.4 turbo upgrade. This can be purchased for about $900.00 and yields 270 hp, a massive toot and a flickering exhaust. Here is the website. If by chance the gods (small g) don't allow it, I'll get an srt-4 for $17,800 new and catapult myself into outerspace aboard the cheap plastic rocket. Why isn't there at least a 2.0 liter engine in the Mini's bay? Link for ya...

Mopar - Original Equipment Parts and Accessories

 

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Let's keep the discussion on this topic focused in one spot.

 

please do it


i want 2.0 liters badly

hip hip hooray for torque

 

get good thick tires for the front so you can leave burnt rubber as long as my...

well, it'll be long.

good luck!

har

 

The bolt pattern being the same doesn't mean the outer dimensions will be. I'm sure a srt motor could be shoe horned... theres a mini with an M3 motor (midships respectively). But this will NEVER be as practical as the Honda community's engine swapping. Considering current costs of the donors... there are better options out there (Vtec powered Originals).

 

I would love to see it if you do it! I thought about the same thing when i heard about the SRT

 

Oh would I love to have a toy like that (Vtec powered Original) with really fat sticky tires.
I doubt the 1.6 Tritec will handle an over bore to get to 2 liter.
Possibly a stroker crank and rods would do it, then again, adding 100CC a hole would be a monster stroke increase? That would be an expensive $$$$x2 way to go if done right, all forged.
I would like to see a completely new aftermarket head by one of these outfits, Dart, Brodix , Edelbrock, Holley or Trick Flow with the restrictions designed out and larger valves as a bolt on.
After all Dart manufactures aftermarket heads for Hondas.

 

why not just put a 4g63 motor 2.0 liter DOHC Turbo Boosted to 345hp the dimensions are about right, then we can Burn up the Import seen!!LOL I think the 2.4 or even the 2.0 Penty Motor would be cool, just expensive untill someone designs a kit!

 

Doing some research on the PT Cruiser GT engine as it is more tightly packaged and the PT engine compartment is reportedly much smaller than the SRT-4. Anyone have any info on this??? Thanks...

 

HONDUHS SUCK

Please continue with the Mini Cooper related discussion

 

Before you go any farther with ideas of a larger engine swap for the MINI, just give Randy Webb at Webbmotorsports.com a call and ask him about this upgrade idea.

He already looked into options of 1.8 and 2.9 litre engines for the MINI.

It might be cheaper and work better to install a Psi-fi Helix turbo into an MCS for over 260 WHP. $4200 for parts and 12 hours labor.

 

I've found it better and more constructive to ask around on an SRT4 forum for input on this rather than getting the negative "trade up to an S" replies that are so frequently seen here. Perhaps anyone interested in a similar conversion should do the same so we don't waste the mini-purists time.

 

Not wasting my time with this thread.

I was looking at this motor this weekend. It was in the Skip Barber school formula Dodge car and it looks SO the same. My interest is sparked here with this thread and I too will try and look into this. I hope someone will give this a try.

 

straight lines are for wimps.

ill take that engine anyday though.

 

A friend/coworker of mine owns a 2004 SRT-4, and after some side-by-side open-hood comparison, I think it COULD be done, but with a fair amount of fabrication difficulty. Even though the 1.6 in the Cooper/S shares similar external dimensions with the 2.0 in the base Neons, the 2.4 used in the SRT-4/PT Cruiser GT/Stratus is a completely different block altogether. We were discussing this possibility at work just the other day, and both believe that it could be done, and will only be a matter of time before enough of these cars get out on the road and trashed before someone attempts the swap.


Oh, and 'HONDUHS' don't suck, just most of the people that own them do!

 

not going to say it cant work but even if the engine could fit you would have to buy allot of new stuff like:

a new clutch (since the srt4 happens to be a 5 speed engine) and the exhaust header and exhaust most likely would not work with the engine so buy those. You will then need to chip the mini computer so it will be able to recognize the engines power. There are probably more things that will need to be purchased but I can’t think of them right now.



But really heres what it amounts to:

srt4 engine block: $7,000

new clutch: $500

new exhaust: $800

Computer chip: $300

Licking a 06 mustang cobra in a race: Priceless....



There are some things money can buy for everything else there’s the element of surprise...

 

Supposedly the 2.0 DOHC and 2.4 DOHC use the same head. Not sure about the block, but they allude to the fact that the blocks are the same between the 2.0SOHC and 2.0DOHC. Everyone is careful to state that the 2.0 is NOT related to the 1.4/1.6 Tritec but nobody says how different the engine really is.
The thing that grabs me the hardest is that everyone keeps saying the rods in the MC are cast and the MCS are forged...but both used cracked sintered rods according to the tech specs (not saying the MCS rods aren't better, just saying the MC rods are "good"). And the cast crank is apparently nodular iron which is a very strong casting. So the question I'd pose is, how many people have actually broken a MC crank or rod? It's pretty obvious to me that they should hold to 200hp since a bone stock Neon 2.0 bottom end is reliable to 300+ with very similar components. Anyway, just thinking out loud. I'm scheming about a swap every day and it seems to be the 2.0 NA swap would be the place to start on a budget. The RT and ACR Neons made 150hp with no power adders (135hp in the standard Neon, obviously a ton of "tuner" stuff to make it better.) If the block/head were similar enough to swap intakes/exhausts/accessories/sensors from the 1.6, you could realistically have someone like Helix tune the computer to compensate for the increase in cubes. I could deal with a 150+hp NA MC. And the engine is probably $500 at your local boneyard.

Also, just to keep on track with the SRT thing, the 2.4 turbo from the "GT Cruiser" is definitely more compact than the Neon setup and would be a better starting point for a Mini swap if anyone ever does progress to that stage of madness.

Of course I'm the guy that fit a small block chevy in my Volvo instead of adding more boost...never satisfied...and even though it fit great and I bolted it in, I never finished it completely. I'd hate to do the same to the Mini!!!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...sPageName=WDVW


Somebody go for it!!!

 

somone DO IT....peer pressure

 

There are about 5 of these on ebay right now, actually...and also a GT Cruiser setup. If you check that one out, notice how they routed the intake over the valve cover instead of wrapping it out front for "fore/aft" clearance. You'd need a "cowl" style hood, though!!!

 

heh, mini with a hole cut out of the top of it:P muscle car style!