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From: So Cal
Originally Posted by USAMINICOOPER
El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
LSD Blows Chunks
What are you saying?
It matters to me,I have one on order.
LSD Blows Chunks
What are you saying?It matters to me,I have one on order.
1st Gear
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
It's heavy sarcasm.... making outlandish claims that have no real basis in fact. Obviously you missed the humor... Good luck with your product whichever one you bought. I am running nitrous on a heavily modified car and the PG works like a champ. That is my UNPAID testimonial and yes I DO OWN THE PRODUCT unlike some on these boards that bash having never even seen a LSD on a Mini.
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From: Mililani, Hawaii
Before any more posts are added to this thread let me remind everyone of the following NAM guidelines:
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See
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...age=guidelines
Phamtom Grip vs Quaife has been discussed before see
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
(Does Phantom Grip need adjustment periodically?)
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
Read the Grassroots Motorsports article on LSDs.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
On adding an LSD
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
And many more.
Seems that both the Phantom Grip and the Quaife LSD work in MINIs.
The installation costs for either is substantial. The part cost of the Phantom Grip is much much less ($1100 for the Quaife).
Both can be used for street, autocross and track.
Don't expect alot of time saved each run in autocross but it might help with minimizing traction loss so that you can control your MINI better, have more fun, and not spin your wheels as much.
So far we do not have evidence that either has had trouble with durability- only time will tell so lets all keep an eye out for any problems and report it so that others considering adding either LSD can know about it.
Arguements about one being better than another don't solve the issue. I invite all members to read the article mentioned in Grassroots Motorsports.
Please be respectful of your fellow NAM members. Have a nice day.
Respect is Key
The North American Motoring community is a place where you can express yourself...as long as you treat your fellow enthusiasts with respect.
No Personal Attacks
Personal attacks will not be tolerated. We encourage and support spirited discussions as long as they are conducted in a respectful and thoughtful manner.
Avoid Duplicate Posts
Before posting please search for similar subjects. If you do not find information that answers your question, we encourage you to post the question or comment to a discussion forum. Take the time to identify the most appropriate forum and do not post to multiple forums. If duplicate discussions are identified, the duplicates may be consolidated or deleted. Repeated posting of a message may be interpreted as SPAM and deleted without notice.
See
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...age=guidelines
Phamtom Grip vs Quaife has been discussed before see
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
(Does Phantom Grip need adjustment periodically?)
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
Read the Grassroots Motorsports article on LSDs.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
On adding an LSD
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=phantom+grip
And many more.
Seems that both the Phantom Grip and the Quaife LSD work in MINIs.
The installation costs for either is substantial. The part cost of the Phantom Grip is much much less ($1100 for the Quaife).
Both can be used for street, autocross and track.
Don't expect alot of time saved each run in autocross but it might help with minimizing traction loss so that you can control your MINI better, have more fun, and not spin your wheels as much.
So far we do not have evidence that either has had trouble with durability- only time will tell so lets all keep an eye out for any problems and report it so that others considering adding either LSD can know about it.
Arguements about one being better than another don't solve the issue. I invite all members to read the article mentioned in Grassroots Motorsports.
Please be respectful of your fellow NAM members. Have a nice day.
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From: the great country of california
Originally Posted by SiMPLE_SiMON
Great post.
I've used both (though not in a Mini) and there is no comparison. I'll take a helical LSD over the PG any day of the week. Check with all of the real race teams. You won't find anyone using a PG because they are inferior to other LSDs.
That being said, PGs are much cheaper and probably just fine for most people who never really push their cars to the limit. You just need to get the correct spring tension (coded by colors) and you're set.
I've used both (though not in a Mini) and there is no comparison. I'll take a helical LSD over the PG any day of the week. Check with all of the real race teams. You won't find anyone using a PG because they are inferior to other LSDs.
That being said, PGs are much cheaper and probably just fine for most people who never really push their cars to the limit. You just need to get the correct spring tension (coded by colors) and you're set.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=all
Seems in another thread you wrote the PG is a POS. Seems you are flipping your position.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...913#post403913
Sorry, group hug for everyone save one..:smile:
5th Gear
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From: La Jolla, CA
Conclusions I've drawn from reading 3 pages of BS (mostly by eldiablitorolito):
The phantom grip works fine for eldiablitorolito
the phantom grip costs 1/3 the quaife
the phantom grip is a non-helical LSD (inferior)
the quaife is expensive
the quaife has name-brand recognition
the quaife owners seem to be so pleased with their product that they don't feel the need to come in and defend it like it's their mission in life.
Be happy with what you have, don't insult the competition, both products have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Money being no object, the Quaife is what you want to go for.
The phantom grip works fine for eldiablitorolito
the phantom grip costs 1/3 the quaife
the phantom grip is a non-helical LSD (inferior)
the quaife is expensive
the quaife has name-brand recognition
the quaife owners seem to be so pleased with their product that they don't feel the need to come in and defend it like it's their mission in life.
Be happy with what you have, don't insult the competition, both products have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Money being no object, the Quaife is what you want to go for.
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From: Fort Smith, AR
Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ
Conclusions I've drawn from reading 3 pages of BS (mostly by eldiablitorolito):
The phantom grip works fine for eldiablitorolito
the phantom grip costs 1/3 the quaife
the phantom grip is a non-helical LSD (inferior)
the quaife is expensive
the quaife has name-brand recognition
the quaife owners seem to be so pleased with their product that they don't feel the need to come in and defend it like it's their mission in life.
Be happy with what you have, don't insult the competition, both products have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Money being no object, the Quaife is what you want to go for.
The phantom grip works fine for eldiablitorolito
the phantom grip costs 1/3 the quaife
the phantom grip is a non-helical LSD (inferior)
the quaife is expensive
the quaife has name-brand recognition
the quaife owners seem to be so pleased with their product that they don't feel the need to come in and defend it like it's their mission in life.
Be happy with what you have, don't insult the competition, both products have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Money being no object, the Quaife is what you want to go for.
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From: So Cal
[QUOTE=ZAMIRZ]Conclusions I've drawn from reading 3 pages of BS (mostly by eldiablitorolito):
The phantom grip works fine for eldiablitorolito
the phantom grip costs 1/3 the quaife
the phantom grip is a non-helical LSD (inferior)
the quaife is expensive
the quaife has name-brand recognition
the quaife owners seem to be so pleased with their product that they don't feel the need to come in and defend it like it's their mission in life.
Be happy with what you have, don't insult the competition, both products have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Money being no object, the Quaife is what you want to go for.[/QUOTE
BS???? I think that comes from the people wishing they had some form of LSD....
The phantom grip works fine for eldiablitorolito
the phantom grip costs 1/3 the quaife
the phantom grip is a non-helical LSD (inferior)
the quaife is expensive
the quaife has name-brand recognition
the quaife owners seem to be so pleased with their product that they don't feel the need to come in and defend it like it's their mission in life.
Be happy with what you have, don't insult the competition, both products have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Money being no object, the Quaife is what you want to go for.[/QUOTE
BS???? I think that comes from the people wishing they had some form of LSD....
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From Tony Nuzzo's site:
"On the final lap, I was entering the rollercoaster section of the track. At the end of the back straight there is a left hand sweeper and then a hard downhill right. When I went to power for the right-hander there was nothing.
I had lost all gears and without power had no choice but to go straight off the track and down a very steep grassy slope. The whole time I was trying to find a gear with no luck. I turned back onto the track and still no gears. I coasted down the hill to the long uphill straight hoping I could make it to the checkered flag at the end. If I can’t make it we would finish way back. The car kept slowing and slowing and I kept trying to find a gear. I don’t know how I managed it but I coasted at least a half a mile to the checkered flag and the car came to a halt about 20 feet beyond the finish line. I was prepared to get out and push the car if necessary, but thankfully, it wasn’t."
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the Phantom Grip, but I would sure like to know. Not sure if Tony would disclose that since they are a sponsor. I have high hopes for the Phantom Grip and this is the first transmisson related think I have heard from Tony's team. Anyone know anything more?
"On the final lap, I was entering the rollercoaster section of the track. At the end of the back straight there is a left hand sweeper and then a hard downhill right. When I went to power for the right-hander there was nothing.
I had lost all gears and without power had no choice but to go straight off the track and down a very steep grassy slope. The whole time I was trying to find a gear with no luck. I turned back onto the track and still no gears. I coasted down the hill to the long uphill straight hoping I could make it to the checkered flag at the end. If I can’t make it we would finish way back. The car kept slowing and slowing and I kept trying to find a gear. I don’t know how I managed it but I coasted at least a half a mile to the checkered flag and the car came to a halt about 20 feet beyond the finish line. I was prepared to get out and push the car if necessary, but thankfully, it wasn’t."
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the Phantom Grip, but I would sure like to know. Not sure if Tony would disclose that since they are a sponsor. I have high hopes for the Phantom Grip and this is the first transmisson related think I have heard from Tony's team. Anyone know anything more?
1st Gear
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Originally Posted by Super_MINI
From Tony Nuzzo's site:
"On the final lap, I was entering the rollercoaster section of the track. At the end of the back straight there is a left hand sweeper and then a hard downhill right. When I went to power for the right-hander there was nothing.
I had lost all gears and without power had no choice but to go straight off the track and down a very steep grassy slope. The whole time I was trying to find a gear with no luck. I turned back onto the track and still no gears. I coasted down the hill to the long uphill straight hoping I could make it to the checkered flag at the end. If I can’t make it we would finish way back. The car kept slowing and slowing and I kept trying to find a gear. I don’t know how I managed it but I coasted at least a half a mile to the checkered flag and the car came to a halt about 20 feet beyond the finish line. I was prepared to get out and push the car if necessary, but thankfully, it wasn’t."
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the Phantom Grip, but I would sure like to know. Not sure if Tony would disclose that since they are a sponsor. I have high hopes for the Phantom Grip and this is the first transmisson related think I have heard from Tony's team. Anyone know anything more?
"On the final lap, I was entering the rollercoaster section of the track. At the end of the back straight there is a left hand sweeper and then a hard downhill right. When I went to power for the right-hander there was nothing.
I had lost all gears and without power had no choice but to go straight off the track and down a very steep grassy slope. The whole time I was trying to find a gear with no luck. I turned back onto the track and still no gears. I coasted down the hill to the long uphill straight hoping I could make it to the checkered flag at the end. If I can’t make it we would finish way back. The car kept slowing and slowing and I kept trying to find a gear. I don’t know how I managed it but I coasted at least a half a mile to the checkered flag and the car came to a halt about 20 feet beyond the finish line. I was prepared to get out and push the car if necessary, but thankfully, it wasn’t."
I have no idea if this has anything to do with the Phantom Grip, but I would sure like to know. Not sure if Tony would disclose that since they are a sponsor. I have high hopes for the Phantom Grip and this is the first transmisson related think I have heard from Tony's team. Anyone know anything more?
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