Drivetrain 05 pepper white MCS modification project
#601
really thinking about a trailer
The idea of getting a trailer has been growing on me. I can really pamper Desire and he would soon thinks he is a natural born track animal.
I would be able to spend the night at the distant tracks in comfort, and have some decent tools for track side pitstop crew of three (I, myself, and me) service. My biggest challenge is where to park/store the bloody thing. I can make room for an open AL trailer. I would love an enclosed one but it may be a bit much. Enclosed trailer also would weight considerable more and I would be taxing the 18' long tall and heavy German built Sprinter motorhome.
Preliminarily these seems to be the ticket. I need to think thru the ramp angles and security of the tiedowns. Of most important is tongue weight, static and dynamic.
I also don't want to having to buy it more than once, should I later regret that I should have gone with an enclosed one. A lot to think about including the potential need for registering for a plate.
I have been traveling very light to the track but what I bring is growing by each event Latest is a $8 Costco tote box
this is one nice AL open trailer but the owner upgraded to an enclosed one; must be those steep and slippery aluminium ramps
I would be able to spend the night at the distant tracks in comfort, and have some decent tools for track side pitstop crew of three (I, myself, and me) service. My biggest challenge is where to park/store the bloody thing. I can make room for an open AL trailer. I would love an enclosed one but it may be a bit much. Enclosed trailer also would weight considerable more and I would be taxing the 18' long tall and heavy German built Sprinter motorhome.
Preliminarily these seems to be the ticket. I need to think thru the ramp angles and security of the tiedowns. Of most important is tongue weight, static and dynamic.
I also don't want to having to buy it more than once, should I later regret that I should have gone with an enclosed one. A lot to think about including the potential need for registering for a plate.
I have been traveling very light to the track but what I bring is growing by each event Latest is a $8 Costco tote box
this is one nice AL open trailer but the owner upgraded to an enclosed one; must be those steep and slippery aluminium ramps
Last edited by pnwR53S; 05-08-2018 at 12:03 PM.
#602
Another brass hammer award for this one.
I have been regretting since. On MiniTorque forum there are a few brave souls that has successfully in refilling the stock mount with 2 part polyurethane. It is essentially what all these aftermarket mounts are like, and in my view, can be better because of the strong SS body.
Here is one person's soon to begin attempt.
image credit Astroboy (who has one of the best threads there)
I have been regretting since. On MiniTorque forum there are a few brave souls that has successfully in refilling the stock mount with 2 part polyurethane. It is essentially what all these aftermarket mounts are like, and in my view, can be better because of the strong SS body.
Here is one person's soon to begin attempt.
image credit Astroboy (who has one of the best threads there)
#603
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Just looked up some facts. I can tow up to 5000 lbs per spec. So that cuts pretty close for the Porsche or Mini that are roughly just under 3000 lbs. That leaves about 1800 lb for the trailer. Enclosed trailer is likely too heavy for technicality.
tall, short, and heavy Sprinter T1N motorhome; it does not have the tandem rear axle
Just looked up some facts. I can tow up to 5000 lbs per spec. So that cuts pretty close for the Porsche or Mini that are roughly just under 3000 lbs. That leaves about 1800 lb for the trailer. Enclosed trailer is likely too heavy for technicality.
tall, short, and heavy Sprinter T1N motorhome; it does not have the tandem rear axle
#604
natural born track animal
When I say Desire may get into its (ambiguous gender ) head thinking its a natural born track animal this is my idea of said track animals.
mini hogs racing
mini hogs racing
#605
#606
mini hog's vital signs on track
OK. I broke down and bought the Dataviewer from Bytetronik. I am still unable to register the software after the installation onto my Win 7 desktop, which I was told only affect the ability to play back.
Ignoring the registering problem I played with the program with a captured CSV file from the track day. Here is a screen shot in the middle is somewhere accelerating out from a turn and onto the straight. The pink curve is speed which peaked out at 107.5 MPH. The green curve is throttle plate position that max out at about 82 degrees (no Sprintbooster of sort in my Mini so it does not quite get to 90.0001 degrees ). The blue curve is calculated load which has many Plateaus - what do you expect when you pedal to the metal? The yellow curve is the Innovate MTX-L WB lambda sensor. And the other blue curve hugging the x-axis down in the mud is the upstream narrow band O2 sensor. Quite interesting.
To make sense of just the WB A/F mixture you have to ignore the overtly lean part of the yellow curve as when you slam shut the throttle right after wide throttle angle even the WB sensor throws up its hands.
This is just a very cursory shallow dive into the recorded data by the Bytetronik Miniport.
Ignoring the registering problem I played with the program with a captured CSV file from the track day. Here is a screen shot in the middle is somewhere accelerating out from a turn and onto the straight. The pink curve is speed which peaked out at 107.5 MPH. The green curve is throttle plate position that max out at about 82 degrees (no Sprintbooster of sort in my Mini so it does not quite get to 90.0001 degrees ). The blue curve is calculated load which has many Plateaus - what do you expect when you pedal to the metal? The yellow curve is the Innovate MTX-L WB lambda sensor. And the other blue curve hugging the x-axis down in the mud is the upstream narrow band O2 sensor. Quite interesting.
To make sense of just the WB A/F mixture you have to ignore the overtly lean part of the yellow curve as when you slam shut the throttle right after wide throttle angle even the WB sensor throws up its hands.
This is just a very cursory shallow dive into the recorded data by the Bytetronik Miniport.
Last edited by pnwR53S; 05-08-2018 at 07:31 PM.
#607
one lap at PIR
Here is one lap at PIR. I can identify each turns of the track based on the speed change sequence. Starting from the left of the graph is the front straight which peaked at the braking zone before turn 1 at the chicane where the speed drop to ~40 MPH. After that are a succession of small peaks and valleys that are the turns up to the back straight. The long rapid rise to the tallest peak is the back straight which always give a higher top speed than the front straight. It is then followed by two valleys and one small peak at turns 10, 11, and 12. The last long rapid rise to the slightly lower peak is the front straight up to the braking zone before the chicane at turn 1 and the fun cycle repeats.
one lap of PIR all squeezed into one screen
As I have 16" 45 AR tyres the DME see slightly higher speed than actual.
one lap of PIR all squeezed into one screen
As I have 16" 45 AR tyres the DME see slightly higher speed than actual.
Last edited by pnwR53S; 05-08-2018 at 08:00 PM. Reason: add PIR track map
#608
injector duty cycles
I have only been doing some shallow dives into the data logs captured by the ByteTronik full assess MiniPort. As with huge mountain of numbers how do you do data-mining to get some usefullness out is the question of the day.
I have always thought it is not possible for injector duty cycle to come close, let alone exceed 100%. Yet my Mini managed to do just that, though not for long. Like all things on the internet, never just blindly believe what you read.
There is one as high as 118%. How is it possible, scratching my head? My thinking is why not. It depends on what the designer of the ECU coding criteria of the start and end limits of the injector turn on. If you search the web, you will see fancy graphs of a pulse width modulation showing you when the injector on time reaches 100% duty cycle, there is no more room for it to grow further as it runs into the adjacent pulse. It is not the case when you have more than 1 cylinder, and that fact it is 4 stroke (no 4 cycle political correctness BS please ) which a full cycle spans 720 degrees.
4-cycle, really? Buy, use a few days, trash, landfill
An interesting observation is the highest duty cycles that are >100% briefly tends to occur in 3rd gear at WOT.
I thought it is just some interesting fruit for thought. I know I can be all wrong as I don't know what the injector duty cycle mean in the context of the Mini DME.
Edit: I tried googling "can injector duty cycle exceeds 100%?" can the results are quite interesting. Need more digging with a lot of speed reading between the lines. As always, the top hits are the most worthless.
I have always thought it is not possible for injector duty cycle to come close, let alone exceed 100%. Yet my Mini managed to do just that, though not for long. Like all things on the internet, never just blindly believe what you read.
There is one as high as 118%. How is it possible, scratching my head? My thinking is why not. It depends on what the designer of the ECU coding criteria of the start and end limits of the injector turn on. If you search the web, you will see fancy graphs of a pulse width modulation showing you when the injector on time reaches 100% duty cycle, there is no more room for it to grow further as it runs into the adjacent pulse. It is not the case when you have more than 1 cylinder, and that fact it is 4 stroke (no 4 cycle political correctness BS please ) which a full cycle spans 720 degrees.
4-cycle, really? Buy, use a few days, trash, landfill
An interesting observation is the highest duty cycles that are >100% briefly tends to occur in 3rd gear at WOT.
I thought it is just some interesting fruit for thought. I know I can be all wrong as I don't know what the injector duty cycle mean in the context of the Mini DME.
Edit: I tried googling "can injector duty cycle exceeds 100%?" can the results are quite interesting. Need more digging with a lot of speed reading between the lines. As always, the top hits are the most worthless.
Last edited by pnwR53S; 05-09-2018 at 09:16 AM.
#609
injector duty cycles quiz
I ignore the top hits from google, as I do most of the time. Just a bit of selective reading and to me this is the most useful answer, not to read too much into the formula.
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Re: Very large duty cycle?! 130+
Postby Matt » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:10 am
Duty is calculated as injection time * RPM / 1200 / 100 %
Here your injection time works out as 24.37ms x RPM at 6525 = 132.51%
That is quite a large injection time which is why the duty cycle works out this high. However AFRs are the main thing to look at here and those seem to be fine.
You can measure the physical injection duty by using an automotive multimeter with duty cycle measurement for an exact representation"
I truly believe that 95% of answers on forums are rubbish, like the facts that you get with telephone game. The most useless answers are those one with a PWM GIF.
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Re: Very large duty cycle?! 130+
Postby Matt » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:10 am
Duty is calculated as injection time * RPM / 1200 / 100 %
Here your injection time works out as 24.37ms x RPM at 6525 = 132.51%
That is quite a large injection time which is why the duty cycle works out this high. However AFRs are the main thing to look at here and those seem to be fine.
You can measure the physical injection duty by using an automotive multimeter with duty cycle measurement for an exact representation"
I truly believe that 95% of answers on forums are rubbish, like the facts that you get with telephone game. The most useless answers are those one with a PWM GIF.
#610
#611
OVERDRIVE
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Good video.
I know you aren’t pitching StopTech, but I see a lot of StopTech brakes on larger cars and people swear by them. Great setup. However, the last I looked, their offerings for the Gen I and II MINIs are limited and only allow for 17” wheels. Wilwood setups get you down to a 15” wheel. I find the smaller 15” wheel and tire works well for the shorter tracks around here.
I know you aren’t pitching StopTech, but I see a lot of StopTech brakes on larger cars and people swear by them. Great setup. However, the last I looked, their offerings for the Gen I and II MINIs are limited and only allow for 17” wheels. Wilwood setups get you down to a 15” wheel. I find the smaller 15” wheel and tire works well for the shorter tracks around here.
#612
Good video.
I know you aren’t pitching StopTech, but I see a lot of StopTech brakes on larger cars and people swear by them. Great setup. However, the last I looked, their offerings for the Gen I and II MINIs are limited and only allow for 17” wheels. Wilwood setups get you down to a 15” wheel. I find the smaller 15” wheel and tire works well for the shorter tracks around here.
I know you aren’t pitching StopTech, but I see a lot of StopTech brakes on larger cars and people swear by them. Great setup. However, the last I looked, their offerings for the Gen I and II MINIs are limited and only allow for 17” wheels. Wilwood setups get you down to a 15” wheel. I find the smaller 15” wheel and tire works well for the shorter tracks around here.
Interesting that on some caliper they use an external connecting hydraulic line. Seems to be done to minimize the increased radius of the caliper over that of the rotors for max rotor size. I don't see the benefit of the removable pad retainer except for added complexity.
The initial part about the making of test pad compound is quite interesting, and is almost exactly my envisioning. Assortment of sintering binded together by binder and molded under pressure and high heat.
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#613
injector time
I double check my assertion, and it seems that I am wrong. I have been assuming an injector only squirt the fuel when the intake valves are open. Inspecting the injector on time in the CSV file suggest otherwise. The on time can be as high as slightly above 20mS. Which means the injector can open for a significant time when the intake valves are closed.
Take 6000 RPM for the ease of math. It is 100 rev/s. This gives 10mS per revolution. As it is a 4 stroke, there is 2 revolutions per combustion so youhave 20mS max to deliver all the fuel you can at 6000 RPM. You do hit 100% duty cycle and the injector have to just stay open with no more added flow rate.
Of course this is a very simplistic view as injector takes finite time to open and close.
At high RPM the injector spends a lot of time pissing at the closed valves. So much for the emphasis of dual beam spray pattern needed for the cylinder head and valve design.
Take 6000 RPM for the ease of math. It is 100 rev/s. This gives 10mS per revolution. As it is a 4 stroke, there is 2 revolutions per combustion so youhave 20mS max to deliver all the fuel you can at 6000 RPM. You do hit 100% duty cycle and the injector have to just stay open with no more added flow rate.
Of course this is a very simplistic view as injector takes finite time to open and close.
At high RPM the injector spends a lot of time pissing at the closed valves. So much for the emphasis of dual beam spray pattern needed for the cylinder head and valve design.
#614
injector maxed out
I found this one brief moment when the injector past 100% duty cycle. It is during WOT at 6898 RPM. The injector pulse is 17.63 mS. But thankfully it is always very brief as you always have to change speed or/and gear. The WB lambda is 11.70. The nominal value of lamba is never concerning under heavy load WOT or not.
I need more RPM, and I need bigger injectors for track!
I didn't bounce off the rev limiter that day. I would like to see what the data looks like when I do. I read that the ECU limits the injectors' on time so not to kill the cat and cause explosion at the header.
I need more RPM, and I need bigger injectors for track!
I didn't bounce off the rev limiter that day. I would like to see what the data looks like when I do. I read that the ECU limits the injectors' on time so not to kill the cat and cause explosion at the header.
#616
#618
#619
Dorman drain back valve
I am adding this part to my thread for posteriority. I am fortunate not needing one. It is reported by a owner in another forum that fits gen 1 Minis. Dorman 904-261 oil filter housing drain back valve. It looks to me you have to transfer the plastic top hat over.
If you bought one and verified it fits, please report back as other owners would appreciate it.
For those wonder WTF this is , here is one of many, countless threads to the unbreakable lump's kiss of death. Do ignore the title of the thread as it is not an oil pressure relief by design, but relieve it does and a very effective one.
If you bought one and verified it fits, please report back as other owners would appreciate it.
For those wonder WTF this is , here is one of many, countless threads to the unbreakable lump's kiss of death. Do ignore the title of the thread as it is not an oil pressure relief by design, but relieve it does and a very effective one.
Last edited by pnwR53S; 05-10-2018 at 11:59 AM.
#620
My understanding is the first illuminated light on the tach marks the "red line;" which would be the limit in which the manufacturer doesn't want you to go over and that is 6750 or there about. The fuel or air cut off (not really sure what is cut off) is at 7200 or 7250 - whatever the first line past 7000 is. Back in 2004, my car came to me with the red line set at 5500. The departed original MINI dealer here, now a Lithia owned shop, "fixed" that and moved that to the 6750 mark that it has today. They did that when I brought the car in for it's first oil change or was it a "recall" of sorts or something to that effect. Anyway, it was 5500 now its 6750. My car also had a lot of sludge in the coolant overflow tank for the first year of ownership. Spent a lot of time in the shop for that... come to think of it... I have no actual documents on that.
#621
My understanding is the first illuminated light on the tach marks the "red line;" which would be the limit in which the manufacturer doesn't want you to go over and that is 6750 or there about. The fuel or air cut off (not really sure what is cut off) is at 7200 or 7250 - whatever the first line past 7000 is. Back in 2004, my car came to me with the red line set at 5500. The departed original MINI dealer here, now a Lithia owned shop, "fixed" that and moved that to the 6750 mark that it has today. They did that when I brought the car in for it's first oil change or was it a "recall" of sorts or something to that effect. Anyway, it was 5500 now its 6750. My car also had a lot of sludge in the coolant overflow tank for the first year of ownership. Spent a lot of time in the shop for that... come to think of it... I have no actual documents on that.
Strange your car has the limit set so low. Bet to wonder who asked for that.
Last edited by pnwR53S; 05-10-2018 at 04:19 PM.
#622
CoolerWorx received cold shoulder here
I am quite surprised so few here on NAM chose to install either the CAE or CoolerWorx short shifter. When I set out to buy mine, I contacted the US seller that I would organize a group buy. Fortunately for me he didn't follow up after he told me to send him the email with the specifics of my suggestion of price breaks as a function of quantity.
At the mean while, suspecting he is not legit, I contacted the Canadian seller trying to buy one of his remaining inventory during the slow season. Instead of giving me a yes or nay he gave me song and dance about the US seller drop ship from Europe and I will incur important customs BS, and he initiate a group buy on FB. I immediately place my order online with the US seller, and a few weeks later I got mine.
I am glad that I dropped the group order idea as the reception in North America seems less than lukewarm. In all on NAM I know of only three installations. As I checked the FB group order gotten no where.
No so with MiniTorque. There have been two group buys there on the CoolerWorx. Here is the link to the second GB. I know it cost much more than other short shifters, but yet people would spend big bucks on carbon this and that, or aerodynamic body kits that are only cosmetic. I know if I strap wings on my Mini hog, it will never fly unless launch from a cliff.
At the mean while, suspecting he is not legit, I contacted the Canadian seller trying to buy one of his remaining inventory during the slow season. Instead of giving me a yes or nay he gave me song and dance about the US seller drop ship from Europe and I will incur important customs BS, and he initiate a group buy on FB. I immediately place my order online with the US seller, and a few weeks later I got mine.
I am glad that I dropped the group order idea as the reception in North America seems less than lukewarm. In all on NAM I know of only three installations. As I checked the FB group order gotten no where.
No so with MiniTorque. There have been two group buys there on the CoolerWorx. Here is the link to the second GB. I know it cost much more than other short shifters, but yet people would spend big bucks on carbon this and that, or aerodynamic body kits that are only cosmetic. I know if I strap wings on my Mini hog, it will never fly unless launch from a cliff.
#623
I think that MT is primarily a performance oriented type o' forum, so it goes that they talk such the serious good stuff --- I love reading that forum, the banter is lively and it's gotta lotta personality...
...mini2 is more like the "normal" mundane stuff:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/first-gen...lock-lock.html
I like the mix here at NAM as there is a great mix of both.
I plan on getting a CAE/Coolerworx at some point, but right now I'm in resto mode doing boring maint. related tasks...
(edit)
...but yeah, I know what yer sayin' --- the amount of $ spent on cosmetics has usually outweighed the serious performance bits 'n bobs because people like to "look cool" and I can diggit because aesthetics are important I think, but geez are there some abominations out there and I'm always bewildered as to why people like them???
It is always a wonderful thing when a balance is struck and an owner takes both performance and aesthetic design into regard.
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...mini2 is more like the "normal" mundane stuff:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/first-gen...lock-lock.html
I like the mix here at NAM as there is a great mix of both.
I plan on getting a CAE/Coolerworx at some point, but right now I'm in resto mode doing boring maint. related tasks...
(edit)
...but yeah, I know what yer sayin' --- the amount of $ spent on cosmetics has usually outweighed the serious performance bits 'n bobs because people like to "look cool" and I can diggit because aesthetics are important I think, but geez are there some abominations out there and I'm always bewildered as to why people like them???
It is always a wonderful thing when a balance is struck and an owner takes both performance and aesthetic design into regard.
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Last edited by Oldboy Speedwell; 05-10-2018 at 05:38 PM.
#624
I think that MT is primarily a performance oriented type o' forum, so it goes that they talk such the serious good stuff --- I love reading that forum, the banter is lively and it's gotta lotta personality...
...mini2 is more like the "normal" mundane stuff:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/first-gen...lock-lock.html
I like the mix here at NAM as there is a great mix of both.
I plan on getting a CAE/Coolerworx at some point, but right now I'm in resto mode doing boring maint. related tasks...
(edit)
...but yeah, I know what yer sayin' --- the amount of $ spent on cosmetics has usually outweighed the serious performance bits 'n bobs because people like to "look cool" and I can diggit because aesthetics are important I think, but geez are there some abominations out there and I'm always bewildered as to why people like them???
It is always a wonderful thing when a balance is struck and an owner takes both performance and aesthetic design into regard.
.
...mini2 is more like the "normal" mundane stuff:
http://www.mini2.com/forum/first-gen...lock-lock.html
I like the mix here at NAM as there is a great mix of both.
I plan on getting a CAE/Coolerworx at some point, but right now I'm in resto mode doing boring maint. related tasks...
(edit)
...but yeah, I know what yer sayin' --- the amount of $ spent on cosmetics has usually outweighed the serious performance bits 'n bobs because people like to "look cool" and I can diggit because aesthetics are important I think, but geez are there some abominations out there and I'm always bewildered as to why people like them???
It is always a wonderful thing when a balance is struck and an owner takes both performance and aesthetic design into regard.
.
I used to read JC Whitney and rolled my eyes at the craps they sell. I just notice JC Whitney abbreviates as JCW. Someone should start a plain Jane Mini to JCW upgrade conversion, using only goodies out of their catalog.
#625
LOL!
The JCW connection escaped me! LOL
You have a great eye for the small details and you don't let the anything of anything escape you,
jollygood brilliant.
Your idea for the plain Jane JCW transformation using items from the JCWhitney catalog is good stuff!
It'd be a fun entry for the 24Hrs. o' LeMons!
JCW used to sell a really cool illuminated hood ornament (which is cooler than illuminated door sills!) that was a thumbnosing jester character,
which would look great on a MCSJCWGP!
It's a pretty nice design methinks...
Nowadays they sell for mad money sometimes because they're kool as heck for ratrodd'd modbosses...
Last edited by Oldboy Speedwell; 05-10-2018 at 09:01 PM.