Enjoy it. If ever you doubt the power and performance: put it back to stock for a couple miles, after that even Map A will feel like a world of difference... Manic FTW...👍

 

Hah, way to Troll Dave O. Do you feel special. Nevertheless tuners will tune, Moders will Mod, and you will have your rights to troll all these sites. I on the other hand will continue enjoying what not only improves performance, but also gas mileage. You would think, such a tune would be so obviously devastating within the first 6 mos, but minus the one unfortunate story, it's nice of you to enlighten us... Cheers😄👎

 

Dave.0 there are always risks when getting a tune and so far Manic vendors I have talked to have been up front about this and they didn't hide this info from me. I plan on a Stage 1 Manic Tune (max 18 psi) because I feel this lessons the risk but doesn't guarantee it won't happen. Are you saying that you weren't aware of the risks that the tune might shorten the life of your engine? Sorry that things didn't go so well for you.

 

Emphasis added, if you'd like clarification I have space in my PM box, or the contact us email is in the main menu, no need to clog up a thread in the technical area. Take note that the site guidelines only favor those that can converse in a respectful manner.

Now back to your regular programming....

 

Actually Dave.0 has a valid concern but it really applies to nearly any tune (canned or not) running high boost. Running excessive boost on pump gas will destroy these engines. They are already 10.5 compression, the stock pistons are cast crap as is the gas in the US. Do the math. In my opinion (and it ain't worth a lot) anything over 19-20 psi sustained, especially up top, will blow the engine. It's only a matter of time.

IIRC, the CM that he referring to was running a 47mm turbo on crazy high boost with no methanol and crappy 93 pump gas. Anyone should be able to predict the outcome. The owner was known to run it hard and didn't really care if he blew it up (or at least that was the attitude he projected).

There will be others that are pushing the limit but that is the nature of the game. Hopefully when it happens they will report it and not slink into the shadows.

Currently I'm running the Manic map A with sustained boost of less than 17 psi which tapers off up top. I'm comfortable with that. I'm not comfortable switching to map B on the stock internals but that's me.

In the end it's your decision, it's your wallet. Nobody here is unknowingly being lead down the primrose path.

 

Does anyone have actual first hand before and after dyno data on a stock
Mini that you own. It would be great to know the real cost per HP results as an end consumer.

Thanks.

 

Here is one EuroTech posted. Stock on Manic

mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

Gotta love trolls. Dave needs to just stick with his R53. Haven't heard of any problems with Manic and they're one of the few that actually do custom tunes as well for custom applications.

 

How would you compare the JB+ to your Manic Stage 1 Tune on Map A Cerenkov? I will be getting a Manic Stage 1 Tune and I'll probably settle for Map A.

He claims to have blown an engine yet he has had an RMW Tune for quite awhile.

 

I have what Manic calls Stage 2+ (whatever that means).

There is no comparing it to the JB+ (and to be honest it's not fair too). The Manic tune gives higher boost and timing and richer AFR.

In performance map A (haven't really tested it in map B):

Boost - sustained 16-17 psi. This is about 3-4 psi higher than the JB+

Timing - is usually around 6-8 degrees up to redline. The JB+ (stock timing tables) was usually around 0-1 degree.

AFR - 10.9 to 11.4. IIRC, the JB+ was usually around 12.0 - 12.4 (a little lean for my tastes)

I'm very happy with the tune. The only complaint is that they removed the cold start which makes it idle high (1000 rpm) for quite a while. It will drop back down to the normal 700 after a while. Sometimes I have to cycle the A/C to get it to drop or turn off the engine then turn it back on. Having the cold start never bothered me so I'd rather have him put that back in.

EDIT: I've been told there is a fix for this. I just need to get a reflash.

I actually see a decrease in MPG. Using real tracking and mileage and not the on board computer I was averaging 27 MPG and now it is more like 26 MPG. Not a huge difference. I do drive 100% city driving except when I'm doing data-logging runs on the interstate. The mileage decrease does not bother me either. I could really careless what my mileage is if I did I would have bought a Prius.

Some people really dislike "canned" tunes but for me and my driving habits it works just fine. To get someone out here to dyno tune then test it on the street is really not practical for me and my schedule nor is it really necessary. I'm not looking to squeeze everything I can out of it. I just do spirited driving from stop light to stop light.

 

Dave.0 was referring to a CM that had blown an engine, not his R53 or anything he owns.

 

The CM that blew had the "rattle of death" days before the chain snapped, on a motor with 70K on it. Also, it was running high boost, big turbo and no meth. The owner knew he was pushing the limits and was shocked it lasted 10K with hard driving. It's surprising, a few people are blaming the Tune, when the owner of the car doesn't. I picked up a 47mm K04 Ported Billet turbo and will be installing it this Wednesday on my GP. Here is a picture of my mini garage mod "hoarding" mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

Wana sell me your stock turbo?

 

Wish I could, but I sold it already. I do have more 47's forsale, I a dealer now mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

Thanks,


I'm running the JB+ on our R61SA and it's been a great fit and a nice satisfying bump in performance at stock settings using 93 octane. Just picked up a new R58M JCW over the holidays, other than dumping the runflats this week for a set of S-04's and adding an adjustable short shift kit I plan on leaving the intake and exhaust stock. So I'm trying to figure out if the Manic tune would be a better fit to bump performance on the JCW setup, and if so at what stage.

 

I'm anxiously waiting to see some dyno results. A back to back comparison would be damn good.

 

Same here, Never see dyno sheets for those turbos but tons of people have them. We dyno tested the older Super 42 but never seen anything larger than that with actual data.

 

From the Eurotechs FB page. Not too shabby at all!

 

That's a nice graph, what Mini and mods?
I'm getting excited about my 47mm Turbo going on tomorrow. I will keep the boost at 22psi and then load files and talk with UKManic to get it where I want. I'm feeling better because last week I put a scope to check the piston surface and material, it looks to be forged. The GP piston have a much more aggressive dome (even though they are the same CR) and the material doesn't look like the typical cast material in an N18 S. I do plan on taking the motor a part and flowing the head in May this year.
I will be adding a 2014 BMW M3 to the family, because I will be making parts for it as well.

mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

The Dyno sheet is from a Stage 3 2013 JCW hardtop
Owens turbo set to 1.6 bar
100 octane fuel with a splash of meth.
That is the low boost tune , shows how much more the Owens turbo makes compared to the JCW turbo at the same boost level.

Here it is on same sheet to show the difference in the turbos side by side. Same boost levels same 100 octane fuel. This is the same boost level most stage 2+ cars are running.

 

Nice lower lip!...What and where to get one?...Have 2010 Mayfair With JCW Aero II kit...(and JCW Tuning kit...+ GP2'S diffuser... lol just sayin')

 

how much is the stage 1 tune?

 

Suggested retail is $500 but varies from dealer to dealer. Some charge install fee's etc.

 

The lower lip is from M7 Carbon Fiber. Super strong, it's been on my car for 17K and have gone up and down every driveway

mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

Omg I rediscovered how much I love this tune tonight. This car is so much fun to drive. Anyone waiting or on the fence about the manic tune just dive in and do it. It's worth ever penny.