>>Yeah, I don't understand why the device is so secret? Is this to create a "buzz" factor? Everyone who has posted that they received this mod have under 100 posts and many this is one of their first few posts. Not to take away anything from the first-timers, we appreciate you on the board and welcome you, but it doesn't help the "buzz" factor at all. Now if someone who had a longtime history on the board was posting that he thought the device was great, the buzz would be much more effective.
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As one of the "under 100 posts" who has the device and has tried to provide a balanced report on it, I must say that I found your post somewhat insulting. I am not trying to "help the buzz factor," I am just trying to share my personal experience with others in the MINI community so they can make their own judgment and decide what to do. I don't think that my opinion should count more if I chimed in with a post everytime I had an opinion on something - call me shy, but I only tend to say anything when I think I have something new to add, which I think I do on the "device" because I am apparently one of the earlier people to have it installed.

I think people should also be a little more generous with m7 because they decided to allow people to install the "device" before they completed their dyno testing and posted details. I realize that some people in the MINI community do things differently - that they like to post when they first have an idea and they take us through their development process. I find these threads fun, and I enjoy seeing the development process in action. But I can also understand why a vendor might choose to complete their testing before they release details of their products. In this case, that is apparently what m7 has decided. For people who don't like this, I would suggest just holding off on installing the "device," but don't criticize m7 for making this choice.

 

>>>>Yeah, I don't understand why the device is so secret? Is this to create a "buzz" factor? Everyone who has posted that they received this mod have under 100 posts and many this is one of their first few posts. Not to take away anything from the first-timers, we appreciate you on the board and welcome you, but it doesn't help the "buzz" factor at all. Now if someone who had a longtime history on the board was posting that he thought the device was great, the buzz would be much more effective.
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>>As one of the "under 100 posts" who has the device and has tried to provide a balanced report on it, I must say that I found your post somewhat insulting. I am not trying to "help the buzz factor," I am just trying to share my personal experience with others in the MINI community so they can make their own judgment and decide what to do. I don't think that my opinion should count more if I chimed in with a post everytime I had an opinion on something - call me shy, but I only tend to say anything when I think I have something new to add, which I think I do on the "device" because I am apparently one of the earlier people to have it installed.
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I HAVE A QUESTION!!

If this was an item that was going to be sold I could understand the "Buzz Factor" to build interest in it before sales started to see how much interest there was so M7 would get an idea of how many to build if any.

But.....THIS ITEM IS FREE so explain to me what if any would be the purpose of the "Buzz Factor".

Earl

 

Hey there guys, I went into Steve's shop a few weeks ago to get this device put in. Randy and Peter wanted to see if on top of better throttle response, if it would eliminate the annoying Yo-Yo which my car has. I got the mod done and I was asked to make an enthusiastic post telling others about this change. So I guess I'll ring in now since there's all this talk about it. When I rode the car the first time after the device was installed, there was a change, but I wanted to give myself a few days to formulate my thoughts and be very specific with what change it made simply because it was that subtle unfortunately, unlike the others experiences above. Obviously those few days passed and I felt I couldn't really figure out what change there was anymore, I guess I got used to the car or something. I did have thoughts early on though and the change that I did feel then was something like the car had better "pickup" on the low-end BUT like I said, this change were so subtle I couldn't get myself to make any write up about it.

Which really sucks because apparently for others it made a more dramatic change. Maybe it has to do with my software version, maybe it has to do with what mods someone currently has or doesn't have and maybe who knows what else. The yo-yo is still present unfortunately, and Steve (the autoshop) was really nice and went further to let me know that he can have our local dealer upgrade my DME to the latest version for free (I am v35 something) to see if that would correct my annoying yo-yo at least.

Of course it's interesting how the device was kept so secretive, but whatever, I know everyone has their own reason for everything, doesn't really bother me. That's all folks.

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-Anto. 2003 MINI Cooper S DS/B Bought 2/9/03. 16" R84 X-lite, DSC, MFSW, H/K System. It's All Excellent.
Mods: Pilo Racing Intake 5/24. Alta 15% Reduced Boost Pulley 7/10. Quicksilver Cat-Back Exhaust 8/18.

 

Whoops, a poster with more than a few posts on the board gets "Some kind of effect, but it's subtle" while other, shall we say "Friends of M7" get "Fantastic rocket-like performance".

Sounds like DejaVu all over again. I'm sad to see it happen once again.

I think we need a forum for faith-based performance enhancement devices.

 

Trippy, please play nice, just because the device didn't improve MY cars throttle response doesn't mean everyone else is a liar. All those posters who had the device put in are real people just like you or me and if they felt a change, that's great! And besides, whatever this thing is, a paperclick, a rubberband, (lol ) it's free and if it helps do what it says it does by even just half the people, that's pretty cool. At least that's what I think.

 

I think the secrecy has to do with recognition. The cost of the item sounds to be minimal, at best. Peter, or maxmini seem to want the MINI community to recognize that they crreated this "product". That's great! Recognition and credit should be given for the creation of something like this.

As for the maturity level of some...well I guess there is more to be desired.

As for the product...is it commonly weighed in grams...and used for fishing...and composed of lead? I'm just fishing for more info...

 

You know, I'd really like to know what it is right now too.
Maybe all I need to do is have a little patience. Maybe take the week off from visiting this forum as I can ealily do.
For those impatiently waiting to learn of the "device", take the week off from this site. Your love life could greatly improve, or you could do your spring cleaning.

 

I hear you Antranic and I try to be patient, but sometimes I get cranky.

And I really do like the idea of a faith-based performance forum. I'm going to spread the word for that

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Team: Rational thought

 

I have to strongly agree with the posters at the end of page 2. This entire thread runs counter to what this website has always been about: helping other MINI owners get the most out of their cars. Anyone who compares this thread to the Yo-Yo Chronicles thread will see the difference between those who are here to help and those who are just here to make a buck. Heck, just look at all of Randy's install how-tos, which typically aren't product specific, but which help EVERYONE who likes to tinker know how certain repairs and mods are done. I don't recall seeing Randy posting for a week about his top-secret airbox mod before finally filling everyone else in on it. Let's get back to where we started, folks. The sooner the better.

 

First off, let me remind you naysayers that I started this thread, not Peter/Randy or anyone directly affiliated with M7. I started the thread to post my review of the product and provide a place for others to post their opinions on it. This thread does not constitute an official vendor announcement.

It seems as though M7 is damned no matter what he does with his announcements on NAM. If he posts his product before doing testing and without providing dyno charts and numbers, you guys flip out on him for "selling snake oil". Now that he's taking the time to wait for independent testing from us, and likely getting it dyno'd, you guys give him crap for being secretive.

What would it take to make you flamers happy?

 

Honesty, that'd work for me.

Smoke and mirrors just irritates the snot out of me, regardless of the product in question.

If its such a secret, don't post about it. Simple, no?

Apparently not.

So weigh me in on the "flamers" side of this discussion.

 

Look at the great response Andy got with his Operatio Hot Air Intake thread.

He posted pictures and a description of what he was doing, then a few days later, posted graphs.

Simple to do, no secrets, and the whole MINI community got a thrill.

Compare that thread to this one and you'll see the difference. It's the difference between Adults and High schoolers.

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Team: Rational thought

 

Well, Trippy, I sincerely apologize for not living up to your ideals on forum communication. If I've broken any unwritten rules on product reviews, I should probably be put out of my misery.

Maybe you should spend some more time and energy developing free products for the community instead of wasting it on arguing about NAM product announcement etiquette.

 

Please someone just post a pic of it?

 

i think the secrecy thing is pretty silly..

i think that this little project leaked out perhaps a week or two early..

i know that M7 is looking to do hard numbers on this device. but I also know that they dont own a dyno, don't have a cousin that owns a dyno, or currently have free access to a dyno.

Things like that do cost a small amount of cash.

I also think that they may be waiting to show the "device" itself without the hard data to make all the "multi" posters happy..

I think the comments about low post numbers are also a little rediculous.. I have had my car for 6 months and have under 100 posts.. why??

way too busy driving my car. the weather is good here,, so i dont have the hours to sit in front of a computer looking for threads I can try to put my own personal stamp on. (i see an avg of 6 posts a day from one of our corespondents.... get a life!)

Whenever something that is put together is so deceptivly simple as this little "device " is, the facts need to be presented. I don't think that they have really had the time to do that.. I just hope that all of the people out there that are trying to make the subtle improvements dont get put off by the people that just like to see their words in type.

to the user that is not feeling a difference.. upgrade your software.. the v.35 stuff is way old ... this will (hopefully) improve the basic ops of the car.


happy motoring! :smile:

 

Judging by the method by which this modification is being introduced and the apparent level of sophistication of its users my guess is that it's a lighter duty throttle pedal spring.

 

Guys, I don't have this item, nor know what the heck it is. So, like many of you, I'm clueless and very interested to learn more...

With that said, if I understand correctly, this device has been in the works for sometime. It was the plan to refine it, and provide some substance (read, numbers) upon its release. I'm sure many here can appreciate that, and would see this as progress... as opposed to revealing products long before release, or without proof of benefit.

With Randy Webb's pulley party in town (hosted by M7), and the opportunity to meet many MINI enthusiasts, the showing of the M7 product line is certainly in order. And with this device on the brink of public release, I understand that the pulley party was an ideal place to share and get further feedback...

Now that this has been done, it sounds like Team M7 still wants to do as planned before a general release. Seriously, I've been able to appreciate the many opinions expressed in this thread and others about what is right or wrong, or should or should not be. I also seems that trying to please everyone is impossible, and that is fine. Damned if you do, or damned if you don't is the impression I'm left with...

Come-on to early with a future product and claims = damned. Release a product without detailed numbers = damned. Not that I'm totally against this damning, BTW



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2003 IB MCS

 

>>Yeah, I don't understand why the device is so secret? Is this to create a "buzz" factor? Everyone who has posted that they received this mod have under 100 posts and many this is one of their first few posts. Not to take away anything from the first-timers, we appreciate you on the board and welcome you, but it doesn't help the "buzz" factor at all. Now if someone who had a longtime history on the board was posting that he thought the device was great, the buzz would be much more effective.
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>>What is so secret about the design that you don't want to mention anything about it? Usually posts like this tend to reveal a bad product. If it was so great it would be revealed right away. Let's see I think this has been done before? Transmeta chip, Segway scooter......
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>>I think posting pictures of the product, a short write up of it, and some independent testing would be great and would go much farther in producing positive responses. I don't think most of us are negative about M7, but how do you expect many of us to react to a "device" that gives us all these benefits. I would like to see these benefits, don't get me wrong. It is just our natural skepticism about a "black-box". Without this information, this thread is going to degrade. You will have a few people who praise the product, but they can't say anything about the product, and then a lot of long term posters who have seen a lot of posts like this before, and degrade the product or the avenue that the discussion is taking.


ood post DG and I will try to answer all of your questions .
Yes the Buzz factor is never a bad thing for any company . There is another take on your feeling that the fact that the people posting have so few posts. For one most of these people are from the so cal area and are members of SCMM and have their own very active forum. They may not be on here as much as others because of their regional site is better for their purposes. The fact that they took the time out to come over here and say something actually gives the " device " a lot more credabiltiy i believe and i thank you for picking up on that although we disagree with the end result :smile:

The reason we have delayed any other details is solely based on waiting for the allmighty " NUMBERS ". Some of you brought this delay on yourselves and you know who you are. We hear all the time " show us the numbers " and this time we will. We were trying to get dyno time last week but ended up spending more time than anticipated preparing for the pulley party . We plan on doing it this week as today is the last for the party.

Your description of how you want the device to be shown and explained is perfect and we will do it exactly that way as soon as we have the " NUMBERS " . This is no " black box as the " device " is white :smile:

On another note lets stop calling a product we prefer that you think of it as it truly is a gift :smile: And as it is a gift cant we pick the way we would like to give it away? I mean what do you want for nothing ? Please you all will be able to receive them as soon as we have the information we want to provide along with the GIFT. Trippy we will even send you one but this time you have to really install it before you give it a bad review LOL Again thanks for the suport and interest.

Randy
Team M7

 

jkagen,

My post was not meant to insult any first time posters. It is just hard to evaluate a product when a lot of the posters were posting for the first time. This is often seen when a bunch of people sign up on the board to push a new product. I was not implying that you were doing that, or if anyone else was doing it, just that it looked a little suspicious from a forum perspective. We enjoy new members coming onto the board and given their insight on new products. And as such, I am not discrediting your insight or review.

Also, I don't think any or at least most of us have it "out for M7". I think the delivery of the information is what everyone is critical about. Obviously you won't please everyone on the board, but the whole secretive thing is pushing it. Since it is your product and you are able to do with it as you please it is your right. Just don't expect a lot of positive interest in the product as much as skepticism. I know the information was not generated from M7, so I am not faulting him on this. Just can't see why no one will even mention any little thing about the device. I know that a lot of the SoCal Mini Scene has a lot of love toward M7, but honestly how do you think we will react to this post. Granted you are all hanging around M7 and get into discussions with him and see his product and post things on your boards. You just can't expect all of us to jump on the bandwagon as easily as some of the Team Mighty Miniz members can. And then when we have questions, we are all labeled as naysayers and have it out for M7. Come on, just think logically on what was posted. What other conclusion can you have from the fact that we are all questioning the product. Typically in the rest of the world a product that has little to no information being released and lots of hype (which 5 posters saying this gives incredible acceleration and is the best thing ever, would be considered hype), usually indicates a bad product. Not saying this product is, but typically this is the conclusion that anyone would draw in relation to any product.

Most of this is not directed to M7, since he never posted this information, so I can't fault him giving a run around. It is all the other posters who are posting about how great this product is, but won't say anything else. While some people say "SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!", I say "SHOW ME THE PRODUCT!".

 

Afternoon,
I've asked Max to PM me w/ info on how to get a working unit....and to date I have not heard from...anyone. ????.

I've re-read the entire thread....
I personally don't understand all the the "drama" and find it ....a bit redundant.
To those who have developed this "product/device"....it would be prudent to simply state what the product is and desist from all this ...unnessary and unproductive ...banter.

This site is about sharing info and knowledge.....

Here are my questions......
What is it ????
What does it do ????
How does it work???
How will it help our users???

Please reply in kind with....informative..... concise..... answers

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PM d-mini-ero

 

Interesting thread. I'm looking forward to seeing this mod.

Since I have the yo-yo and a very touchy throttle response in stop and go traffic, I'm curious if those who had GREAT results from this mod also have the yo-yo. Anyone?

Since the one yo-yo sufferer also experienced a "subtle" benefit, I'm curious if the yo-yo sufferers have different hardware.

And the fix is white, huh. Hmmm.

JS

 

>>Interesting thread. I'm looking forward to seeing this mod.
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>>Since I have the yo-yo and a very touchy throttle response in stop and go traffic, I'm curious if those who had GREAT results from this mod also have the yo-yo. Anyone?
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>>Since the one yo-yo sufferer also experienced a "subtle" benefit, I'm curious if the yo-yo sufferers have different hardware.
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>>And the fix is white, huh. Hmmm.
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>>JS

I did not have any yo-yo or stumble problems with my MINI, and I have had positive results from the "device."

Also, just to clarify, I have been a member of this board for 5 months, and did not sign up to push any products. And, I am not pushing the "device" or any other product. I have never bought anything from m7, and I met the m7 folks for the first time at the pulley party. I installed the "device" only after I had spoken with other MINI owners about their experiences with it, and I talked with them about what it was and how it worked (I guess I'm in on the secret). I am glad to report that it did add something to my car, and that it made my MINI more fun for me to drive.

Beyond that, I'm not really sure what's going on here. Someone offers something for free that may make driving fun, but they don't feel comfortable releasing the details until they have it all tested. Why are people so bent out of shape?

 

Here's the thing I find most interesting as of late - collaboration by Randy and m7.

Now, at first glance that doesn't seem really interesting - unless you start to read all the threads here on NAM, where people simply LOVE to bash m7 and similarly REVERE Randy and his Webb Motorsports offerings.

 

Jkagan:

If you know how it works.. and people want to know...

please divulge, otherwise you surely won't be believed to be indifferent to M7.

 

Chalk up another person looking for info vs. hype.
Ditto d-mini-ero's questions.

As for the maxmini/Trippy interchanges, it doesn't appear anyone is having 'fun', just a lot of pissy tit-for-tats.