Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R56) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

Drivetrain Hybrid turbo yes o no?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 12, 2013 | 03:13 PM
  #1  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Hybrid turbo yes o no?

Anyone running hybrid turbos in there set up? looking for advise if it work or not? Who can tune a r56 with Hybrid turbo the best? Any ECU problems with the amount of air that run in the engine caused be the turbo?

i just will like to hear it from someone that has it in his car, not someone that has heard about it.

Thank
 
Reply
Old Jun 12, 2013 | 06:45 PM
  #2  
Mini///M's Avatar
Mini///M
5th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 667
Likes: 2
From: NY
I wanted to go hybrid for a while but there doesn't seem to be a proper ideal tune made for a specific one yet. ALTA was the only one who had a Stage IV tune for their billet Turbo. But G-Pop and FrankenTurbo both offer a hybrid turbo without a tuning solution.
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 01:07 AM
  #3  
MNIPWR's Avatar
MNIPWR
5th Gear
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 668
Likes: 4
You don't really need a tune. Our cars are smart.
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 05:01 AM
  #4  
MINIutia's Avatar
MINIutia
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: So Cal
I've got an Alta 56 Billet turbo and their Stage 4 tune - unbelievably awesome running car. I've got several maps made during development for 91 octane fuel. We started with a high-octane map (crazy power, but instant detonation when under boost or load).
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:29 AM
  #5  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by MINIutia
I've got an Alta 56 Billet turbo and their Stage 4 tune - unbelievably awesome running car. I've got several maps made during development for 91 octane fuel. We started with a high-octane map (crazy power, but instant detonation when under boost or load).
Thanks for the info. Where dis you get the maps fpr you car? Did you got them from alta or from a remote tuner with AP? I been looking for a tuner and haven't found one yet. I contacted Jan but basiclly he told me that it was a pain in the neck and he was no interested.
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:34 AM
  #6  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by MNIPWR
You don't really need a tune. Our cars are smart.
Yea i know our cars is very smart. But a really want to see how much can that hybrid turbo produce.
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:40 AM
  #7  
MINIutia's Avatar
MINIutia
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: So Cal
I worked with ALTA on the development of 91 octane maps for their Billet turbo, they are all from ALTA.

Someone asked how much power this can produce - on a cool damp SoCal day at sea level I generated a best dyno pull at 240 HP / 290 lb-ft. All the right support parts are on-board to let this happen. No, I don't drive it hard often but it is my daily driver. It has turned 50,000 miles, 35,000 on the Billet Turbo.

I recently had an independent shop replace the timing chain (preventative, it had started to make some cold-start noise). The shop told me that I should have warned them about the power output as they apologized for lighting off the tires in first and second gear on the post-install test drive.
 
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:04 AM
  #8  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by MINIutia
I worked with ALTA on the development of 91 octane maps for their Billet turbo, they are all from ALTA.

Someone asked how much power this can produce - on a cool damp SoCal day at sea level I generated a best dyno pull at 240 HP / 290 lb-ft. All the right support parts are on-board to let this happen. No, I don't drive it hard often but it is my daily driver. It has turned 50,000 miles, 35,000 on the Billet Turbo.

I recently had an independent shop replace the timing chain (preventative, it had started to make some cold-start noise). The shop told me that I should have warned them about the power output as they apologized for lighting off the tires in first and second gear on the post-install test drive.
Thanks again for the info.
 
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2013 | 10:33 PM
  #9  
p8ntbollr's Avatar
p8ntbollr
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Do you think ALTA would be able to create a map for those of us with Accessports and a hyrbid? Id imagine itd be as simple as recording some data logs and sending them over but i might be wrong.
 
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2013 | 07:38 AM
  #10  
MINIutia's Avatar
MINIutia
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
From: So Cal
ALTA isn't servicing the AP anymore. Perhaps COBB.
 
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2013 | 12:10 PM
  #11  
bk_mini's Avatar
bk_mini
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
I also have a billet turbo... it is way awesome... with alta ap stage4 tuning ...
 
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2013 | 12:16 PM
  #12  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by bk_mini
I also have a billet turbo... it is way awesome... with alta ap stage4 tuning ...
I have to get my hands in one of does maps from alta. i have the AP but Alta is not giving any support or maps for the AP. Any one care to share the STAGE 4 map for the alta billet?
 
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2013 | 12:21 PM
  #13  
bk_mini's Avatar
bk_mini
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
I dont mind sharing . but not responsible for your usage.... :P

email me.
 
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2013 | 12:27 PM
  #14  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by bk_mini
I dont mind sharing . but not responsible for your usage.... :P

email me.
Thanks. PM sent
 
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 07:18 PM
  #15  
p8ntbollr's Avatar
p8ntbollr
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 139
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by MINIutia
ALTA isn't servicing the AP anymore. Perhaps COBB.
They said they wont be making maps for them for free anytime after July but I wont have my hybrid turbo by then! Anyone with a hybrid turbo and my same bolt ons wanna go ahead and get a map made???
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 12:40 AM
  #16  
reselie's Avatar
reselie
Neutral
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Greece
Hello and good evening from Greece ,

I have a 207 rc with forged cp-scat internals and hybrid k04-23 turbo both at intake and exhaust sides.

It is tuned for 100 octane at 1.6 CT , 1,80 Overboost

Hybrids are common here at Greece but everyone blames them in terms of reliability. Mine got some serious damage at the axle about at 8.000 km (maybe lack of oil pressure)

Α proven good solution here at Greece is a good Big Turbo from a known firm like Garrett gt2860rs or gtx2867r or Big turbos from mitsubishi (TD05-16G , TD05-20G)

I will probably go for a 2860rs soon or after
 

Last edited by reselie; Jun 18, 2013 at 02:26 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 04:31 AM
  #17  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by reselie
Hello and good evening from Greece ,

Hybrids are common here at Greece but everyone blames them in terms of reliability. Mine got some serious damage at the axle about at 8.000 km (maybe lack of oil pressure)
One of the ways of killing a brand new turbo is no buying a new oil line and adding a heat cover to it. The Hybrid turbo can produce more heat than the stock and damage the line and you will have serious problems.

I have to take a look in to the Mitsubishi turbos, i have't see any mini running them.

Do you know the power output of you mini? whp or bhp and TQ.?
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 04:57 AM
  #18  
reselie's Avatar
reselie
Neutral
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Greece
Originally Posted by jmgpr7
One of the ways of killing a brand new turbo is no buying a new oil line and adding a heat cover to it. The Hybrid turbo can produce more heat than the stock and damage the line and you will have serious problems.

I have to take a look in to the Mitsubishi turbos, i have't see any mini running them.

Do you know the power output of you mini? whp or bhp and TQ.?

Hello,

As i said before i dont have a mini but a peugeot 207 rc (same engine ep6dts)

I had a heat shield and also a new custom oil line... the problem was at the oil pump as it stuck

It is supposed to be at about 290 BHP and close to 40kg of torque tuned at 1.6 bar ct and 1.8 overboost..


As for mitsubishi's here at Greece there are many examples and i personally know one of them.
Also someone has installed it at a mini. As far as you can fit the turbo in the small hood everything else will be fine

as this one
http://www.etuners.gr/?s=13&t=334
that made 286ps with stock internals at 1.4 bar

and this is the guide of the installation
http://www.etuners.gr/en/index.php?s=12&t=275

the pros are the price of the turbo ofcourse as it costs about 550€

anyway have in mind that they arent so good in terms of quality as Garrett are..
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 04:59 AM
  #19  
reselie's Avatar
reselie
Neutral
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Greece
Please delete, triple posted by mistake....
 

Last edited by reselie; Jun 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 08:47 AM
  #20  
reselie's Avatar
reselie
Neutral
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Greece
Please delete, triple posted by mistake....
 

Last edited by reselie; Jun 18, 2013 at 11:06 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 10:33 AM
  #21  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by reselie
Hello again,



I had a heat shield and custom oil line...!Τhe damage i guess that occured when the oil pump stuck because after 3 months of the stuck oil pump the turbo axle broke


The mitsubishi TD's are a good option and a lil bit cheap one (turbo costs about 550€)...It can provide from 250 to 350 bhp and can easily be installed..On the other hand there will be always better options like GTX2867r or GT2860RS that are better in terms of Quality but a lot more expensive...There are many THPs running at Greece with TDs or Garretts

Mine is not a mini as i said above... mine is a pug 207 RC with CP-SCAT forged internals
At 1.6bar / 1.8 BAR Overboost it is supposed to be at about 290BHP and ~39-40 kg Torque
Thanks bro for the info. I will look in to it.
I just bought a new hybrid turbo form JM cooper turbos and will be doing a building thread. Let you know
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 12:09 PM
  #22  
ra2fanatic's Avatar
ra2fanatic
6th Gear
iTrader: (6)
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,936
Likes: 22
From: SoCal
woooo....1.6 bars boost is quite a bit. I doubt our R56 internals would last that long with stock internals to maintain that kinda power.
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 03:28 PM
  #23  
reselie's Avatar
reselie
Neutral
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Greece
no, with the stock internals you have minor chance to not blow up your engine!
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 04:14 PM
  #24  
jmgpr7's Avatar
jmgpr7
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by reselie
no, with the stock internals you have minor chance to not blow up your engine!
Well the mini stick internals are very strong and can hold some moderate power increase but i don't know if 1.6 bar seams high.
 
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2013 | 04:45 PM
  #25  
reselie's Avatar
reselie
Neutral
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Greece
The mini internals are exactly the same with mine stock internals.. 207 rc and mini wear exactly the same motor.. (prince ep6dt thp motor)

It will hardly withstand about 1,5 bar with hybrid turbo and that cause of the stock rods. I guess that They will bend from the torque except if you push the pedal only after 3-3,500 rpm....
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:21 AM.