Well i guess goodluck on them and hope they can rectify and win the trust of Mini maniacs again.

 

File a complaint with your credit card. the sooner, the better. Doesn't matter if you installed it or not.

 

The following is the exact text of the review I submitted to the MM web site on the V2 header 3 days ago. let's see if it will get posted........

what I received does NOT look like the picture. It looks exactly like a header that can be found numerous places like Amazon for $180.

Amazon

Amazon

I don't have a way to prove it but I will tell you it looks EXACTLY like it. I sent George a message saying this looks just like one on Ebay when I received it. he said "it's not. the Ebay stuff is garbage". I took his word for it and installed it. I had leaks at both ends of the connecting pipe (that doesn't look anything like the picture of the V2) that looks exactly like the one in the picture on Amazon or Ebay. After getting 4 new gaskets and installing 2 each in both ends of the connecting pipe I got them sealed. The upper O2 sensor barely reaches the hole AFTER moving the connector from under the air box as far as possible. I also bought the O2 simulator that George sells for $89 that is supposed to eliminate the SES codes from the rear O2 sensor. Well, I've had the SES light on and reset a dozen times since installing the header with the codes 2096 (leaks) and 0136 (rear O2 sensor). I can't say it's the header that's causing the SES light YET. but when I get to the bottom of it - IF I still have this header on the car and it is the header causing the codes, the 1 star rating will fall to zero stars.
I'm thinking about just removing it and starting over with a another header that looks like what is advertised.
If this is in fact the $190 header sold for $900 - shame on you!

 

File the complaint with your credit card ASAP. Don't waste anymore time.

 

I was just about to deal with these people. Thanks for the heads up! I will not put in the $348 order! Deleting their bookmark now.

 

x2

 

only way to rectify any of this is put a claim in with the credit card as fast as possible.
Times a wastin.
I personally have only used RMW headers, and they are always better than advertised mostly cause Jans website is for shittttt, all really nice stainless.
however i have a friend who runs a obx and its worked out really well for him.

 

That's messed up.

I bought an OBX 4-2-1 header and had doubts about inconsistent QC. The folks over at Sparktec made sure I got a good one, though. I would have been upset if I spent $200 on a poorly constructed header, but I would be raving mad if I was sold a $900 one.

Although, looking at the pictures on MM's website, and reading the description, it appears that it is technically correct. They can charge however much they want for any given product - It's up to the consumer to do his or her research on the matter. Caveat emptor, as it were.

If the headers received match the description on the website, then they've fulfilled their end of the bargain. If you were relying on something that wasn't represented in the description, you can't expect them to conform to that un-communicated expectation, can you? What exactly were you expecting? That the headers weren't made in China, like the eBay ones?

To the people that installed their headers: even if you thought you received a non-conforming product, you have technically accepted it by installing it in your car. Legally speaking, you've just shifted the burden of proof from them, to you.

Let me just say, I'm not defending MM in any way (they are expensive)... But that's one hell of a profit margin they're making on these things if they are made in the same factory, by the same people, as the $200 eBay ones. If this is the case, from a legal standpoint, they have not done anything wrong. Now, I'm not saying there will be no consequences ... Things like this will definitely hurt their reputation in the community.

 

Read the whole post and look at the pictures. They don't match. Just because it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, does not make it a duck. LOLAre you a lawyer?

 

To be honest, I have dealt with George in the past and even recommended them with great results. They had products that many were still trying to develop at the time. I think that he has simply gotten lazy and cheap over the years. Even my sway bar was a re-badged Hotchkis and when I tried to get bushings for it he sent me the wrong ones and they were WAY overpriced (40 dollars). My local garage found a set that fit for 14 bucks.

All I can say at this point is shop around and avoid him until he clarifies this mess.

 

+1^^

 

Yes. I was citing the Uniform Commercial Code § 2-606, "Acceptance of Goods." If you receive non-conforming goods, you have a legal duty to reject the goods upon tender (or receipt), or after a "reasonable time" for inspection. If you do anything that constitutes acceptance (such as installing the headers), you are presumed to have accepted. In either case, you bear the burden of proving that the goods were not as described.

Basically, it's much easier to reject a sale (before "acceptance"), than to revoke one (after "acceptance").

What doesn't match up? I see a 4 into 1 header, a detachable resonator, bolts, and some gaskets.

Like I said, I'm not taking any sides here, but it appears he got what he was described on the site. Shop around.

 

Not trying to argue with you on this, but is this true in all 50 states? Are you really a Lawyer or just play one on NAM? LOL
Seriously look at post #12-13 he clearly shows the differences. So if it loks like a duck and quakes like a duck it is a duck?

I still say IMO deny the charge and let the credit card company's lawyers decide.

 

I will admit I'm not a sales or transactional attorney. I usually work with families in foreclosure in negotiations with banks and such so they can stay in their homes. You need a bar license to do that, so yes. I graduated from law school this past December, and my last class was Sales Transactions.

It's only true in the states that have adopted the Uniform Commercial Code, which is most of the states.

I really don't see the difference in those posts. They are identical to me, unless I'm not seeing something in the picture.

 

Reguardless of the legality IT IS JUST WRONG. He is taking advantage of people who trusted him to give them a good product at a fair price. 600% profit is a ripoff.

 

when you ask someone straight out - hey, the thing I received doesn't look like the picture but it looks just like another one that is advertised for 1/5 the price.
AND, you send a picture.
AND, you say please tell me it's not the same as the 1/5 priced one.
If the response you receive is: - the 1/5th price one is "garbage"
You (I) are either 1. a trusting person and take his word for it
or 2. are a fool and put the blinders on.
I admit, I was first #1, then, reality set in and now I admit, I'm a fool and should have followed my instincts and returned it immediately. I was all excited and ready to install my new header and put the blinders on.
These are the facts. Period.
also, a fact, I wrote a review that I copied word for word earlier in this thread and sent it to MM. It has not been posted nor have I been contacted.

 

So have you tried anymore to get this resolved with them or did you finally deny the charge? Or are you just going to live with the fact you might of been ripped off and chalk it up to experience?

 

Yeah, I am kinda wondering where this is going as well.

 

well, I am first waiting to see if I'll be contacted about the review I submitted. or, the email I sent on March 3rd which remains un-answered, or just contacted period.
I think a reasonable offer I will suggest is: I buy a new "V2" just like the one I received from Ebay (or other) and return that one still in the box for a refund.

Of course this implies that the "V2" I received IS the same as the Ebay "garbage"

In short I'm waiting for some response from MM. does that answer the question?

 

Well, keep us posted, but I would have gone the route that was suggested as well as trying to contact them.

 

Why wait for a response? Just file the claim and let the credit card company deal with it. He's not going to respond to you, but he HAS to respond to the credit card company. If he doesn't, then you get your money back for sure!

 

+1^

 

i stopped reading there.

 

Hey, it is his money. If he wants to **** it away, who are we to argue. The longer he waits, the harder it will be to get it back.

 

I purchased the V-2 Exhaust and was told it was just like the picture except for a rolled edge vs the straight cut tip. When it arrived it didn't have the nice stamp on the tips (like the photo) and there was a cheap flimsy strap that held the tips apart (also not like the photo). This lasted 2 weeks before the strap broke. I had to have the shop weld a solid bar between the pipes to keep the tips apart. The exhaust looked nothing like the pictures on the website. I emailed George and sent him pictures and he said he would make it right on my next order. Obviously I didn't buy from him again. I do like the sound of the exhaust though.