Am thinking of installing the above without the matching performance cylinder head.

Are there any MC owners out there that have tried it without intake and exhaust mods?

If so, would like to hear about the gains from you guys.

Much appreciated.

 

FYI, at a recent pulley party I asked Randy Webb about this option --which he sells -- and he did not recommmend it for my car (which is a street car). As I recall he said you only get ~ 3 HP out of what is a very expensive mod. He also noted that it changes the personality of your car. He said the car will no longer idle smoothly and will have that distinctive shuddering shake and rumble that racing cams cause. If your car is used exclusively for the track AND you've made the other mods (pulley, CAI, exhaust, ECU, etc.) then this might make sense.

 

Redleg13 -- thanks for the update on the Schrick cam. I trust Randy, so that is good to know. If you think about it, the cam turns the valves. The bottleneck in the MINI is in the heads, as the exhaust ports are too small and the exhaust valves are too small. So, it makes sense that the cam by itself will not do much, without also having the head ported and polished and larger exhaust valves. I think if you did all that it would be quite a big improvement. But it sounds like you will lose some driveability, such as not idling smoothly.

 

Redleg13:

You're a great help! Was already ready to put the cash down but since i read this, looks like i've saved a ton to spend on other mods.

Just that i hear that's not much to gain from an intake and/or exhaust mod as well.

 

Just wanted to get my .02 in.... I got the Schrick cam in my engine with nary a stumble or rough idle, as a matter of fact
it would be hard to tell it's there.

As for the application I would only consider the cam if I also got the head ported and polished.

peter horvath
562-712-3270

 

Just a note, I think Randy and the original poster was refering to the Schrick cam on a MC not an MCS. The MCS cam may have different results and a different recommendation from Randy. I do agree that it doesn't make alot of sense to install a cam without doing head work at the same time to make it flow better.

 

Actually there are two cams available for the MCS. A street cam ans a race cam.
The street cam is the cam that has been available all along. The race cam is new and will give a rough idle. Street cam has a smooth idle and has a little more low end torque and better suited for street and autocross situations.

I have the street cam in mine in conjunction with a ported and polished head with large valves and it has a smooth idle.

Hope this helps,

JD

 

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>>Just that i hear that's not much to gain from an intake and/or exhaust mod as well.

There is much more to gain than just horsepower. Yes, there is lots of discussion on this site and others regarding how many ponies you can get out of this intake or that exhaust system. My guess is not as many as vendors would like you to believe. One thing, however, everyone agrees on is that these two mods make your car sound sooo much sweeter than stock. For me at least, much of the pleasure of driving a sports car are the sensory joys of all aspects of the ride. Adding a CAI is like taking the mute off a trumpet. For the first time you hear the supercharger sing. It's exhilarating. And the throaty growl of my Magnaflow fills out the rest of the orchestra. Something to consider.

 

Amen to that!!! I put a UUC exhaust on mine and it sounded good but it was missing something. When I added the miltek header and cylinder head mod with the cam it transformed the car's sound completely. Now I want to run at 3000 rpm all day long just to hear the music !

Cheers,

JD

 

JD,

Who's head are you using?

 

Does anyone know the differences in the profiles betweent the street and race cam?
My cylinder head is getting worked on as we speak so I wanted to put the cam on with the head. Any info would be great.

 

Super_MINI, I am using the Webb motorsports head that has been flowbenched. I think that it flows 1.6 cfm where the stock head flows about 0.8 cfm. Don't quote me on these numbers. I do know that my head flows better than Randy's evaluation head that he developed.

CooperSdriver, I would call Randy at Webb Motorsports. He is a sponcer of this board and is in the sponsor directory. He has all the figures.

Cheers,

JD

 

go here, post #27 for a bit of cam data.
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthrea...ge=2&pp=15

 

I am not crazy...there was a "street and race cam" I can't find any info on the dif....does anyone have the spec and what are they selling/mfg now?

 

Peace, I don't know if there is a street and race cam. I think there is a generation 1 & 2 cam for the MCS.

I have the 1st generation. At first, for 12K w/o head work. It was barely noticable in terms of sound. There was a huge difference in mid range power with the cam. After a cylinder cracked on the motor, and Mini warrantied the engine only w/o the cam, of course i agreed and ran the car w/o the cam for 3 - 4K. It was definitely noticable loss in power.
Since then, we put it back in with some head work from Pilo/DPR and BBR that allows high revving, it pulls incredibly strong from 3500 all the way up... .
I think the 1st cam was spec'd again, and now they call it the 2nd generation, but i don't think there is a street and race version.

 

There was definately 2 versions at the same time.... i talked to Randy about whic one to get....he said the race was a bit extreme for the street.....if they discontinued the ones they had and the new one is a blend that would be ideal.....anyone know?