Not doubting your tuning ability, I've tuned my own GTI on standalone. However who cares if RMW is touting their own product? Let them, it's their right. I agree it might be overkill for 98% of the R53 drivers but there is that 2% that want all they can get from their cars and for them this is a viable solution. I can guarantee the a full standalone will make more power and be overall more driveable than any piggy back because the resolution and number of parameters you can control if way more than any pigguback offers. It's like suspension for 98% of the R53 people simple shock and spring upgrades are fine, but for 2% they want coilovers and adj camber plates and within that 2% there are those that want coilovers with remote reservoirs. Let them spend their money..

 

I like RMW that's why i'm in the "camp". Have you ever sat down and talked to Jan? How many times have you talked to him on the phone? I think hes a super nice dude. Yes I can tune and build motors. I just didnt have the time to do the MINI. So off it went to RMW. I can say that I've never been happier with it. Runs smooth even with the big cam. Hell its running 115mph in the 1/4 with the stock exhaust. So that's why I'm a "fanboy" of RMW. Their parts PERFORM their tune PERFORMS....with that said. When the Vipec hits the market I will be doing my own tuning.

Do I agree with you that most MINI owners will not need the Vipec? Yes. If you have a I/H/E/P then a tune on the stock ECU will do you fine. As soon as you step up to a BIG CAM, BVH, Rotrex, TVS, Bigger injectors then 550's, E85, anything of that nature yes you should have the Vipec. The stock ECU will not be able to accurately control these things. Hell it wont even idle with the big cam by its self, it throws out so many misfire codes. So it doesnt matter if you are a race team or not. If you want to make the most power with your car and make it right you will have to step it up. NO Piggy back is going to be able to control any of that. Period. You have to step up to a Vipec. Its going to be the only plug and play option. AEM, Haltech, Motec ect ect will not release a PnP ecu there is no market for it. Plus the AEM can control the CAN functions and like I said its a POS. The new AEM will be able to but thats going to be years before they even think about making one for a MINI. Go with the big markets first.

Vipec sets the pricing by the way, if anybody is caught not selling it for the price they set, they get there rights stripped and are no longer able to sell it. So if you think that Jan is going to mark it though the roof he cant.....I dont know why you guys think he marks crap through the roof anyways. R&D isnt cheap.

Ill tell you this, I am a "fanboy", to me one of the most important things is a engine management system is tip in control, tell me where that's at in the tronic....tell me why the car runs great one day and shitty the next. I know why do you? I know you are not trying to get people to buy the Tronic, but for a safe system to control the motor there is no other option....go buy a MegaSqurit and see what you loose in your car....yes you can control everything in the motor, in the car electronics not so much....Youll have lights on in the dash, you wont have Cruise control, A/C, seat belt lights will stay on ect ect. They cant control the CAN system. The Vipec will do all that minus OBD inspection and in all honesty who GAF? If you are buying the Vipec your not buying it to stay street legal your buying it to make power.

 

More reliably and easyer than ANY other option currently avalible, PERIOD!

 

PA, your aware because of your lack of experience on the trial of any systems on the mini it makes your opinion sort of moot, A mini is not a honda, as low tech as you think it is. theirs plenty of other stuff going on behind the scenes your not aware of in the electronics, why do you think this took a while to get to market. My car only has one light on the dash and thats because of a bad airbag sensor, caused by someone in the shop.
regardless, Why continue to argue when you made it clear your have no interest in buying one?
Also instead of speculating as to what the vipec can and cant do and what its like. why not ask the only person in the world with the PNP on their personal car...
Oh well gosh thats me....
Just for reference....
damn i cant get youtube to work.

 

Colin you want me to post up a video?

 

yeah i tried but it just was giving me fits, do you know where they are?

 

PM me your youtube, and what one and ill link it.

 

this will be nice if i ever get around to building up my extra block. this is plug and play for both the R50 and R53 right?

 

Llabmik2 should have a vid up for me, thanks man!

 

Yes sir. It will open the door to individual throttle bodies, or reliable booost (Depending on internal engine mods) for your R50.

 

Posting these for Colin.

With the stock ECU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTGQMQqYl4w

With the Vipec first start up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGX0GITkxnU

Vipec tuned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRGEVCCF8o

 

Nevermind.

 

Its like youtube is trying to get me today. lol nevermind.

 

On M/U there is the screen shots of controllable peramiters, any chance we could get that in here?

 

Its your thread, just pull it over here.

 

exactly, this would solve any issues with those hayward performance ITB GT heads.

 

This is the menu of peramiters in the Vipec. All of which are able to be edited to the tuner's liking. (Screenshots from RMW)








Here is the menu for ByteTroniK (To make things fair)




I really dont see how a piggyback could compete.

 

So Rick, are you going to be the first? The software looks wonderful, the word magical has been taken. It's got everything.

"I really dont see how a piggyback could compete." Not anything I'v ever seen, ever. There is a bit of a learning curve. Is it fair to think it has a base cooper OE tune? And 2 large?
AND a happy, all be it broke, Thanksgiving to all

 

Hey Steve LONG time no see.

Nope I wont be the first one with this delightful pice of electronic equipment. That honor goes to Jan (with his adapted universal system) and Colin (With the first official P&P unit), I doubt that I will even have one of theese systems this time next year unfortunatly. It is deffenatly on the top of the list after my rebuild gets completed. It aint all bad though, it will give me some time to get familliar with the S/W that runs it.

From what I gather, there will be multiple base maps avalible, based off of comon mods. Kinda like ByteTroniK did in the begining. (Maby this time I will actually get a base map?)

Holding off on my purchase will also let people find bigger injectors (Looking for 750-1000cc) and other hardware to be developed to maximise the potental of this ECU. (Such as electronic bypass valves, and bigger throttlebodies.)
It will also give me time to source parts for a true return fuel system using an aeromotive 1000 external pump. This time when my car goes on E-gas it will be 100% ready for it.

 

The Injectors Throttle bodys and that type of stuff are easy to find, Pm me if you need info.

 

When it comes time, I will do that.

 

Pricing and a release date for the ViPEC ECU is coming soon!

 

I thought the final production was still a few months away

Also is pricing around the $2500 mark?

 

Sorry D-MAN its closer than you think, and the first 30 are sold! Sadly I am not on that list.

 

Price?