Drivetrain Vipec engine management - A new way to blow your engine!
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From: Maple Shade, NJ
Not doubting your tuning ability, I've tuned my own GTI on standalone. However who cares if RMW is touting their own product? Let them, it's their right. I agree it might be overkill for 98% of the R53 drivers but there is that 2% that want all they can get from their cars and for them this is a viable solution. I can guarantee the a full standalone will make more power and be overall more driveable than any piggy back because the resolution and number of parameters you can control if way more than any pigguback offers. It's like suspension for 98% of the R53 people simple shock and spring upgrades are fine, but for 2% they want coilovers and adj camber plates and within that 2% there are those that want coilovers with remote reservoirs. Let them spend their money..
I disagree for the 98% of the R53 owners, blame the tuner not the software.
There is no amount of typing that anyone will say on here that will change my thought process. I'm quite surprised Kimball is part of the RMW camp, as someone like him could be in his own. I fully understand the capabilities of ViPEC, that is not the argument.
There is no amount of typing that anyone will say on here that will change my thought process. I'm quite surprised Kimball is part of the RMW camp, as someone like him could be in his own. I fully understand the capabilities of ViPEC, that is not the argument.
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Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Fruita, CO
Yes, I have used the other systems but not on a MINI, it should not be any different. I'm not in a spending $600 to prove a point mood so I'm not going to get the AEM FIC. Tuning is just that no matter where your background was in. I once consider the R53 to be a glorified Neon and I've always liken the MINI to being the love child of VW GTI and Honda Civic. Sorry I had to say that but it's my observation after having both the R56 and current R53. The point is stop making the R53 out to be so high tech and hard to work on. For you it is, for me it is not.
I'm not a Bytetronik supporter(due to price) though I'm support open competitive markets. So that's the only thing about it that I like, it's an option. Now with that the RMW camp will say ViPEC is the only solution, they are going to say Bytetronik is a total waste, that it will blow your engine, and that spending 1300 more on top of the $750 is 10X better. I disagree for the 98% of the R53 owners, blame the tuner not the software.
There is no amount of typing that anyone will say on here that will change my thought process. I'm quite surprised Kimball is part of the RMW camp, as someone like him could be in his own. I fully understand the capabilities of ViPEC, that is not the argument.
I'm not a Bytetronik supporter(due to price) though I'm support open competitive markets. So that's the only thing about it that I like, it's an option. Now with that the RMW camp will say ViPEC is the only solution, they are going to say Bytetronik is a total waste, that it will blow your engine, and that spending 1300 more on top of the $750 is 10X better. I disagree for the 98% of the R53 owners, blame the tuner not the software.
There is no amount of typing that anyone will say on here that will change my thought process. I'm quite surprised Kimball is part of the RMW camp, as someone like him could be in his own. I fully understand the capabilities of ViPEC, that is not the argument.
Do I agree with you that most MINI owners will not need the Vipec? Yes. If you have a I/H/E/P then a tune on the stock ECU will do you fine. As soon as you step up to a BIG CAM, BVH, Rotrex, TVS, Bigger injectors then 550's, E85, anything of that nature yes you should have the Vipec. The stock ECU will not be able to accurately control these things. Hell it wont even idle with the big cam by its self, it throws out so many misfire codes. So it doesnt matter if you are a race team or not. If you want to make the most power with your car and make it right you will have to step it up. NO Piggy back is going to be able to control any of that. Period. You have to step up to a Vipec. Its going to be the only plug and play option. AEM, Haltech, Motec ect ect will not release a PnP ecu there is no market for it. Plus the AEM can control the CAN functions and like I said its a POS. The new AEM will be able to but thats going to be years before they even think about making one for a MINI. Go with the big markets first.
Vipec sets the pricing by the way, if anybody is caught not selling it for the price they set, they get there rights stripped and are no longer able to sell it. So if you think that Jan is going to mark it though the roof he cant.....I dont know why you guys think he marks crap through the roof anyways. R&D isnt cheap.
Ill tell you this, I am a "fanboy", to me one of the most important things is a engine management system is tip in control, tell me where that's at in the tronic....tell me why the car runs great one day and shitty the next. I know why do you? I know you are not trying to get people to buy the Tronic, but for a safe system to control the motor there is no other option....go buy a MegaSqurit and see what you loose in your car....yes you can control everything in the motor, in the car electronics not so much....Youll have lights on in the dash, you wont have Cruise control, A/C, seat belt lights will stay on ect ect. They cant control the CAN system. The Vipec will do all that minus OBD inspection and in all honesty who GAF? If you are buying the Vipec your not buying it to stay street legal your buying it to make power.
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PA, your aware because of your lack of experience on the trial of any systems on the mini it makes your opinion sort of moot, A mini is not a honda, as low tech as you think it is. theirs plenty of other stuff going on behind the scenes your not aware of in the electronics, why do you think this took a while to get to market. My car only has one light on the dash and thats because of a bad airbag sensor, caused by someone in the shop.
regardless, Why continue to argue when you made it clear your have no interest in buying one?
Also instead of speculating as to what the vipec can and cant do and what its like. why not ask the only person in the world with the PNP on their personal car...
Oh well gosh thats me....
Just for reference....
damn i cant get youtube to work.
regardless, Why continue to argue when you made it clear your have no interest in buying one?
Also instead of speculating as to what the vipec can and cant do and what its like. why not ask the only person in the world with the PNP on their personal car...
Oh well gosh thats me....
Just for reference....
damn i cant get youtube to work.
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Joined: Sep 2007
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From: Fruita, CO
Posting these for Colin.
With the stock ECU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTGQMQqYl4w
With the Vipec first start up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGX0GITkxnU
Vipec tuned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRGEVCCF8o
With the stock ECU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTGQMQqYl4w
With the Vipec first start up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGX0GITkxnU
Vipec tuned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRGEVCCF8o
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From: North Denver Colorado
This is the menu of peramiters in the Vipec. All of which are able to be edited to the tuner's liking. (Screenshots from RMW)
Here is the menu for ByteTroniK (To make things fair)
I really dont see how a piggyback could compete.
Here is the menu for ByteTroniK (To make things fair)
I really dont see how a piggyback could compete.
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From: Northampton MA
So Rick, are you going to be the first? The software looks wonderful, the word magical has been taken. It's got everything.
"I really dont see how a piggyback could compete." Not anything I'v ever seen, ever. There is a bit of a learning curve. Is it fair to think it has a base cooper OE tune? And 2 large?
AND a happy, all be it broke, Thanksgiving to all
"I really dont see how a piggyback could compete." Not anything I'v ever seen, ever. There is a bit of a learning curve. Is it fair to think it has a base cooper OE tune? And 2 large?
AND a happy, all be it broke, Thanksgiving to all
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Hey Steve LONG time no see.
Nope I wont be the first one with this delightful pice of electronic equipment. That honor goes to Jan (with his adapted universal system) and Colin (With the first official P&P unit), I doubt that I will even have one of theese systems this time next year unfortunatly. It is deffenatly on the top of the list after my rebuild gets completed. It aint all bad though, it will give me some time to get familliar with the S/W that runs it.
From what I gather, there will be multiple base maps avalible, based off of comon mods. Kinda like ByteTroniK did in the begining. (Maby this time I will actually get a base map?)
Holding off on my purchase will also let people find bigger injectors (Looking for 750-1000cc) and other hardware to be developed to maximise the potental of this ECU. (Such as electronic bypass valves, and bigger throttlebodies.)
It will also give me time to source parts for a true return fuel system using an aeromotive 1000 external pump. This time when my car goes on E-gas it will be 100% ready for it.
Nope I wont be the first one with this delightful pice of electronic equipment. That honor goes to Jan (with his adapted universal system) and Colin (With the first official P&P unit), I doubt that I will even have one of theese systems this time next year unfortunatly. It is deffenatly on the top of the list after my rebuild gets completed. It aint all bad though, it will give me some time to get familliar with the S/W that runs it.
From what I gather, there will be multiple base maps avalible, based off of comon mods. Kinda like ByteTroniK did in the begining. (Maby this time I will actually get a base map?)
Holding off on my purchase will also let people find bigger injectors (Looking for 750-1000cc) and other hardware to be developed to maximise the potental of this ECU. (Such as electronic bypass valves, and bigger throttlebodies.)
It will also give me time to source parts for a true return fuel system using an aeromotive 1000 external pump. This time when my car goes on E-gas it will be 100% ready for it.
