i'm going to be doig dyno testing on the system that I am designing. I am also going to look into the Use of NO2 instead of CO2 as a cooling agent which will not have the same Choking issue as the CO2.

I will have the system later in the week, on monday next week.

I will let you guy's know.

I will be doing the intake portion in about 1.5 months, and the fuel rail, possibally at the end of next mont.

Thanks
Dan
Pilo Racing

 

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>>As far as the N02, just refill the C02 tank with N02.... and Viola!
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Yeah, Viola! And BOOOM!

 

NO2 is not flammable

I would never suggest using an unregulated NO2 delivery system. And after reading all about that M7 Venom Nitrous Kit, I don't think I'd use any other system.

Lets all laugh and be friends

-WCC

 

>>NO2 is not flammable
nitrous oxide or nitrogen (I) oxide,chemical compound, N2O, a colorless gas with a sweetish taste and odor. Its density is 1.977 grams per liter at STP. It is soluble in water, alcohol, ether, and other solvents. Although it does not burn, it supports combustion since it decomposes into oxygen and nitrogen when heated. The gas is prepared commercially by the thermal decomposition of ammonium nitrate, NH4NO3, at about 240°C to produce nitrous oxide and water; the reaction must be carefully controlled to prevent explosive decomposition of the nitrous oxide. The gas is purified, liquified by compressing and cooling it, and stored in metal cylinders.

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>>I would never suggest using an unregulated NO2 delivery system.

That's my point...that would be allowing an unregulated amount of NO2 into your intake. The spray bar releases a TON of gas VERY quickly. It WILL enter the snorkle tube and into the motor.


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>>Lets all laugh and be friends
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I'm not trying to fight, I'm just saying "I've been there, and done that" I wouldn't be talking if I hadn't been very intimate with this system with hours and days of experimenting.


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NO2 is not flamable as he states. It only helps ignite other fuel sources by acting as an oxiginating agent.

Like I stated, I am going to test this all out ot make sure that any ingested NO2 does not cause issues with the Engine, or intake system.

I think that we are all on the same level though.

I also have other ways of testing the car's performance other than a standing dyno. I have some software and other tools that I can plug into the ODB2 Sensor to get reading of intake temp, Timing and other properties. I can also measure 0-60 times, and 1/4 mine times to get an understanding of how it is effecting the engine.

Thanks
Dan
Pilo Racing

 

>>NO2 is not flamable as he states. It only helps ignite other fuel sources by acting as an oxiginating agent.

Exactly. This I know. Gasoline & Oxygen in your cylinders is your other fuel source...
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>>Like I stated, I am going to test this all out ot make sure that any ingested NO2 does not cause issues with the Engine, or intake system.
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Okay. Your engine, not mine. Let us know. :smile:

In a related thread:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...c=20626&12
WCC says that NO2 can be used as a fire extinguisher???? I'd like to see some poor idiot spray nitrous into a fuel fire.

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here's some reading for ya..

Nitrous Oxide Myths

1. "I'm not using nitrous, that stuff'll blow up my engine!"
While nitrous oxide has the potential to cause engine damage, it can provide years of safe and effective horsepower gains if installed and operated properly. Obviously, an expert on how to utilize nitrous oxide should be consulted before a kit is installed.

2. "How can my stock engine deal with the additional horsepower?"
There are no guarantees when increasing engine performance above the manufacturer's specifications. However, most manufacturers have a "safety margin" designed into their engines that allows for increases in horsepower with no detrimental effects. Also, because the use of nitrous oxide is driver controlled, its exposure to your engine occurs when desired only, allowing the engine to operate under normal conditions most of the time.

3. "Is it legal to use nitrous oxide?"
Yes, as long as the components have a certification number. However, an irritated or uninformed police officer may still write a ticket if he sees a nitrous oxide container. It is then up to the individual to appear in court and prove the system's legality.

4. "What if the bottle blows up?!"
As mentioned earlier, nitrous oxide itself is not flammable. It does contain a high amount of oxygen which, when combined with fuel, causes a more rapid and powerful explosion. (reference controlled or slow leak)

 

here's an idea:

you have the alta sprayer installed on the intercooler along with the Co2, correct?
what if you sprayed the intercooler down and then shot the Co2 ontop? that would coat the intercooler in ice, which would keep it at a steady 32 degrees until the ice melted, might stay cooler longer...
this was the set up i was pondering...

 

...plus you could cool it down and stop spraying the Co2 before you stomp on it, so there would be no risk of choking the engine.

 

I appreciate the work that everyone is doing to see how well this system works. I can understand how it can be tough to measure the power this sytem produces on a dyno. I look forward to see how things go with a data logger. It would also be interesting to see the results from a device like a g-tech pro.

 

>>I appreciate the work that everyone is doing to see how well this system works. I can understand how it can be tough to measure the power this sytem produces on a dyno. I look forward to see how things go with a data logger. It would also be interesting to see the results from a device like a g-tech pro.

I'm actually going to be using ODB2 Logging Software. I find the G-Tech In Accurate.

Thanks
Dan
Pilo Racing

 

So is this co2 system safe for my MINI COOPER not S. And will it produce any power at all? :smile:

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It Should be safe for your car, but I can not guarentee and power gains. Also, Like I said, You have to find somewhere to vent the CO2 after it is used.

Thanks,
Dan
Pilo Racing

 

the DEI Kit comes with a vent tube.
I'd direct the blow off straight down onto the pavement if you're looking for simplicity.
If not, blow it out a side vent.

-WCC

 

Check out the pix on this page. Mike as a Cryo2 system.

 

>>Check out the pix on this page. Mike as a Cryo2 system.
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Hey Mike, glad to see you got it hooked up. Did you use that big tank you had in your garage? DEI can send you a short length of hose so that the solenoid can be mounted at the firewall. See my pic.

 

>>the DEI Kit comes with a vent tube.
>>I'd direct the blow off straight down onto the pavement if you're looking for simplicity.
>>If not, blow it out a side vent.
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>>-WCC

Or Send it up like a Purge kit for NO2

 

West Coast Coopers

I have a question about your "nitrous is legal" statement. Where did you get your information on this? While Iwas was researching my nitrous stuff I tried to find out about the legality of it and could come up with no official answer. I read the DMV book and found all sorts of stuff about lights, brakes, mufflers(In Cali if you get caught with an illegal muffler it is the shops responsibility to replace it on their dime)and just about everyother part of the car but nothing on nitrous. I have talked to a bunch of people about it and got every answer under the sun from its totally legal, totally illegal, its legal to have it on your car but not to use. its legal to use but if your caught street racing your screwed. then the catch all that its illegal to modify your engine at all. I know nitrous is used in RV's to pass and go up hills. This won't change my use of the nitrous but its just nicer to know whats legal and illegal on your car when your pulled over.

 

Here is some information that I just pulled off a site "www.berkworks.com"

Nitrous Regulation:

Nitrous regulations typically vary state by state. Please consult your state’s motor vehicle code to determine the legality of purchasing and using nitrous in your jurisdiction. Common regulations are as follows:
Nitrous systems are only permitted for use off public roads
Nitrous systems may not be active or even hooked up when on public roads (open/shut the bottle, unscrew the line from the bottle)
Nitrous systems may not be permitted under any condition
BergWerks does not endorse or support installation or use of any of our products contrary to motor vehicle codes.

Most raceways and dragstrips permit use of nitrous oxide injection subject to certain safety precautions. Here’s an example of the policy at the Los Angeles County Raceway. The BergWerks 100HP M119 5.0L kit as specified for installation meets the following requirements.

“The use of any agents other than NOS as part of, or mixed with, this pressurized fuel system is strictly prohibited. All bottles must be securely mounted, stamped with minimum DOT 1800 pound rating, and identified as nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide bottle(s) located in the driver compartment must be equipped with a relief valve and vented outside the compartment. System must be commercially available, and installed as per manufacture's recommendations. Commercially available thermostatically controlled blanket-type warmer accepted. Any other external heating of bottle(s) prohibited. “

If you race at a particular track, please check their regulations