I think Jan was answering my question here. $895 buys you the AP and tune from Jan now.
My question was if I purchased the AP from Alta but wanted him to do a tune for me at a future date what would the cost of that tune be seeing as I already own the AP?

Thus the "1 billion dollars"...and that he was still working on a price.

 

If anyone is in the southeast (or willing to drive to Atlanta, GA)...PM me and let me know. I am hosting a dyno day with Jan. I need a few more people to get this thing moving. He will be here the first of November.

 

If its a weekend... im in, im a dimsporter and need the full tune, how much would it be (dyno time)? would be coming from VA



***nm thats a monday

 

It will be on a Saturday more than likely. 1st or 2nd weekend. I have a dimsport...he will be doing a dyno tune to replace my canned tune. It will be dyno time + Jan's time. Don't have the figures yet. Just guessing ($100/hr on the dyno and whatever Jan charges for the R56).

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...tlanta-ga.html

 

I get a free tune from Jan to replace the can, Keep this updated if its a weekend i will try to make it and reserve time.

 

Is that lower red line supposed to be a stock JCW with just an intercooler upgrade? Amazing it's pulling 11 more hp than my tuned/intercooled JCW...

The after results are amazing but the before has me scratching my head.

 

Motor Mouth,

If you look at both of the dynos posted by RMW the second one for the Mini S has printed at the top of the dyno "flywheel torque and flywheel HP" so if this is the case for both dynos then stock JCW with IC at 230 flywheel HP is about 202WHP.

The 202 wheel HP is well within what we have seen others dyno at the wheels for a factory JCW but that also would mean that the after custom dyno tune of 252 flywheel HP would be about 222 wheel HP and that is also about the same as your Alta tunned JCW. BTW I don't know if this is the reason for the differences but it looks like it could be.

 

You used the same dyno? in the same conditions?

 

Its definitely the strongest JCW I have seen from the factory on our dyno. A normal S will make 160-166 depending on the car

All dynapacks say flywheel hp on them, even though it's at the hubs

 

While I'll agree the stock run seems high...its not the dyno.

Unless it just consistantly chooses to read low for my car for the past 2 years

All the Cooper S dynos on that dynapack...heck on all 3 of those dynapacks, are spot on with other dynos.

 

just about every dyno posted on here says flywheel - even though every U.S.A. dyno posted was actually showing wheel power. The europeans like to post flywheel numbers (they have to multiply the wheel numbers that they get by some "guesstimate" of the drivetrain loss). It's funny that we are now getting wheel numbers that rival thier flywheel numbers.
I knew it was wheel power which is why I was so surprised.



Yea Jan, that was definiately a helluva stock JCW. I'm surprised it can get the same HP with 19lbs boost as i get with 23.5

 

Maybe you should race him and find out?

 

I'm still waiting for the bridge from here to California. When they finally finish it though that outta be a great road to emulate the autobahn. 2000 miles of straight highway shouldn't have a speed limit.

 

Motor Mouth,

I get what you are saying about the flywheel numbers vs the wheel HP & torque numbers but even with a modest "guesstimate" factor the stock JCW used in this before and after dyno with 230 WHP stock would be about 261 flywheel HP.

It seems to me that 261 flywheel HP from a stock JCW with just an I/C is a little hard to swallow.

I think that what is more important to look at with these before and after dynos is the gain and in this case the RMW custom dyno tune provided 22.1 HP gain and the Alta stage1 canned tune for a JCW gained 23.8 HP so even though the RMW custom dyno tune provided less gain at what I assume would be a much higher price they both seem to be providing better gains than what has previously been offered.

 

You cannot accurately compare 2 different cars on 2 different dynos, there are way too many variables. It looks the me like the Rmw tune is right on par with the Alta canned tune.

 

I agree with you that these two tunes seem nearly equal in performance gains.

Alta"s tune is an off the shelf canned tune and I thought a RMW custom dyno tune which would cost a lot more because of dyno time and tunner's time would provide more gains for more time and money but as you point out they are almost the same but I think the edge goes to the Alta canned tune because it seems to deliver more gained torque earlier.

 

I guess the big question is if there is an overall improvement in drivability? Or perhaps rmw is making the same power with less boost and less aggressive timing? Perhaps Jan can chime in on the advantage of going with the dyne tune. I have heard that data logging on the street has an advantage over dyno tuning so maybe that's why alta can provide such a good canned tune

 

Very good point. I have also heard that data logging on the street and track in addition to dyno tuning gets results. We all have all read about the on going time and effort Cobb and Alta have put into their tunes including many Mini owners being beta testers in real world testing.

We have all seen posts many times on how busy Jan is so maybe given more time with the Cobb AP the early RMW custom tunes can be improved upon sometime in the future and provide better performance gains and added value that would justify the extra cost.

 

I'm enjoying the extra boost and after few days I know I'm already getting used to the extra hp. It's pretty smooth and mostly it's smoother than my stock tuning. For the most part it's smooth and it's definitely fun to drive. I noticed that my car doesn't under steer anymore.

 

I gotta get that tune. I thought I needed to get a bigger rear sway bar to correct my understeer. This will be a lot easier.

 

The Internet
Go figure

 

lol

 

i lol'd haha

 

After some testing I've discovered my Alta tune doesn't cure it. Jan please teach Alta how to correct it.

 

jan this ap with your tune also work for european minis?