There are 2 issues, a head & tune....

If you are going to look at just a head Post 29 has the perfect delta = no tune - just some bolt ons

the tune is a different issue...... Did I miss something????

 

Post 29 has a crank hp dyno reading so around 200whp which is a strong car no problem there.

 

And by that shop you mean Church's right? Do you have Camshafts available for purchase there ?

 

Actually that is WHP. That is an apples to apples comparison from my stock head to the RMW BVH. The dyno was two days apart with only a 2 degree difference in the outside temps. Jan didn't own tuning software at the time.

I do admit that my little 1.6 was a really strong car . I got lucky.

LB

 

I'm new here, but not new to message boards... This place is like a soap opera!

edit... wrong thread!

 

Steve we are finding ourselves in the middle of a pretty good vendor on vendor east meats west throw down of a pissing match here, it has been pretty fun to watch.

The Thumper guys are now acusing Jan of pulling timing and messing up fuel maps because they dont have RMW parts on the car.(I DONT BELIVE THAT EURO SLANDER)
Meanwhile Jan brings up a good VALID point that BIG VALVE HEADS produce more power than any small valve setup. That is TRUE but, not everyone wants a racecar for a D-D, small valve heads CAN produce enough power for the average KNUCKLEHEAD that dosent track their car regularly. All it takes is a little research into matching the cam/head to the application, and a good tune.
LB mentioned the schrick cam and was imediately shut down by Randy @ M7.
I tryed to put my 2cents in but didnt get to far, and the list goes on and on.
Hopefully all of theese guys can stop butting heads about who's got the better products, and maby help this poor guy out. But I'm just the new guy, does my opinions really matter?

 

Hello again,
I posted this once and it seemed to raise a stir but then the truth usually does. So I thought I would post it again. The truth lies within the facts which seems to be ever changing by so many of the distributors of parts for Mini Coopers especially from one?

"The interesting thing about this is a friend that sells new dyno equipment
from Dynamomters INC has told me that chassis dyno used for anything other than improvements can be easily scewed be the shops to ballooned results to satisfy customers. So once again we have results posted on a forum by the individual or customers of the individual doing the reveiws?"

From:https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...y-man-jan.html



So my question is why have not the said distributors tested by way of an Engine Dyno tested the results of those perfectly best parts?

 

All opinions matter which is why I gave mine about the Schrick.

The schrick was north of $500 at that time. Add in the install cost and "to me", a couple more hp up top wasn't worth it.

Just one man's opinion .

LB

 

As a rule I detest these bickering on forums as well. But disinformation is not conducive for anyone.
I am basically new as well but I can read. If you looked at the information provided at the start of the this thread not only does he already run a RMW tune but lists RMW in BOLD letters within his signature. So why this thread? He is already a customer of RMW why go to a public forum and start a thread when a phone call to RMW will get his answers?


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never mind. I don't want or need to be a part of this.

 

Thanks LB, I've never been a fan of the Schrick stick either(way over priced for a measley gain in power) , But there are some people out there that love them, who knows why with the other options but they do. So +1 on your thoughts

Allen, there are many reasons why people post on forums, maby PHUNGSHUM just wanted to see what the general populas was going to say, or maby he had already made up his mind but started to second guess himself, or even better, he wanted to see if anybody came up with any other options than the same old same old.

Vendor wars get ugly but sometimes it inspires them to come up with somthing new to beat the other guy over the head with, witch makes them productive(as long as nobody really catches one to the ol' nugget )And as an RMW customer, and future RMW customer, I can honestly say that I would like to know as much as possible, and explore all options before I make a decision to buy any part. If I find that the RMW part wont work as well as somebody elses(for my application) I wont have that RMW part on my car.

Please continue, it's just now gittin to the good part.

 

That Chassis Dyno results can be adjusted is the point of interest I was trying to make.
The reference was generalized to all concerned and not anyone supplier or by clairvoyance did you read something not posted? So I believe that you would be making an *** of yourself or perhaps something else.

Does my posting better ways of obtaining facts upset you? Try calling a Chassis Dyno distributor and talk with them and come back to support what I posted about Chassis Dyno's.

I notice in reading dozens of threads here on NAM that when postings such like yours start the thread is soon closed?

 

Hey Rick... TAN yet????? Actually I run a Cosworth stage 1 head ( with a little extra ) - no tune - no header.... At the time RMW didn't have a performance head - it was in the thinking process.
Post 29 is what to look at "apples to apples" the dyno numbers mean nothing to me, just the % and what the engine looks like - GRAPH TQ- HP. Regardless, that head shows some big time gains with a really nice curve..... END.
I will tell you there are some ponys to be made with a stock valve head, especialy for the street. This type of porting needs to be done by someone that knows EXACTLY what they are looking at.... there's porting and REAL PORTING. Since there are some really good choices out there NOW - Mini - I wouldn't look to a local shop - the cost will be too close and may not have any Mini R&D.....
The tune is a different issue. Yes - it's best done on a dyno. However, the only way this car will get a tune is remote..... That said, I believe the tech is there & can deliver some very good result. The "tune in a can" is not where the remote tune is today....
A header is yet another issue. I think I could make a pretty good argument for the OE if compared with OBX, Megan & some other inexpensive headers. The RMW street looks to be very well done & it fits, should be big letters FITS. No fooling around with mis matched ports, studds..... etc.
Cam.... I want to try a cam gear...it's old school, don't know if RMW made 1 for production - we did talk about it some years back. There are some real cams to chose.. The schrick is just ok... They have been around a long time, their quality is very good, I've used them on some BMWs & Alfas, for the most part the regrinds had a ton more performance not to mention grind selection..... can't leave out cost.

That's pretty much all the bolt ons... Hey stay out of trouble

 

And that is more often than not the hidden agenda behind those posts, which are usually made by the usual suspects. I'm surprised were missing some of the usual party goers when they smell blood in the water

 

Oh just give it time . But, I hope not as there is some interesting stuff here.

LB

 

Actually Steve that little cheap OBX with a stock cat welded on make's some nice low-mid TQ. And it sounds fantastic. Ya... I had one of those as well .

LB

 

LB, if you still had that OBX w/cat I'de buy it. You did all the nickle dime stuff to it...... the cat really quiets it down. I tried the OBX, fixed the ports studd location, never got to the cat part, took it off & sold it - was going to try the megan but blew it off - no cat. I hate CELs so.... This car makes some good low end as it is, really shines with another dreaded snake oil product "sprint booster" you may know about these.....

 

I wouldnt recomend wraping an OBX I have seen a B-16 Civic with a Jackson racing charger almost melt one, luckaly it just cracked in about 5 places. A decent design cant make up for using cheap materials.

 

It would really be nice if Eaton came out with a TVS version of the M45, but I agree with Jan that they will probably not make one anytime soon. The M45 on the Cooper S is really small and has limited applications. I think there is only one other car it was ever installed on from the factory. The Kenny Bell, Whipple, and Weiand aftermarket roots superchargers are applicable to multiple car makes and models, and this makes them worth producing. Not to mention the fact Eaton states the M45 is intended for 2.0-3.0L engines to begin with. There's room to grow with the M45s we have now on our little 1.6L engines.

The only real upgrades available to us are to get an M45 with teflon coated rotors ('05 and '06) if you have an '02-'04 MCS and to get it ported and polished. It will probably take some worthy upgrades to see gains from the latter.

 

Performance head articles focus on valve seat, throat behind the seat, bowl work, and port geometries/area when on the subject of velocity, so since you (Thumper) send us to the internet for answers, we can assume you do not measure velocity with probe or calculate with math, and cannot provide supporting examples of valve size affect on low & mid-range performance with a MINI head.

Performance potential remains on the table when using stock size valves, economic constraints are a valid reason to keep stock size valves, however, if performance gains are driving the decision and cost is down on the list, there is not a downside with larger than stock valves; as long as the porter is capable of realizing the important facets of headwok.

 

There you go Keith, now you are on to something. Not quite there yet, but getting closer. And be sure to read "On the NET" when it talks about the large valve/ large CC runners and incorrect bowl and valve seat area and how it WILL hurt the low end power... this is why I suggested the NET!! there are thousands of pages on port work and the effect of too big..or too small, and it would seem if they ALL say the same thing.. it would be apparent that that might be the way it is...

TOO big isnt anything new... and I didnt think it up!! but hey... I have just been doing this for over 35 years, and I might have forgotten a few things..lol

Buy the parts to APPLICATION!!

Just me........................................

Thumper

 

Any hard data on a Mini motor to support those statements?

LB has posted hard data showing that the RMW head is a well designed large valve head that works across the board with no low to mid range loss of torque....

 

of course not.......... but why add facts when you don't need them?

 

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...in-jan-23.html

post 561 you can see my dyno sheet with RMW big valve head from 2 years ago.

 

cant wait to get some higher compression pistons in it, and get it back on the dyno to re-tune for the pistons and my RMW aquamist methanol inj. system