i know theres prolly been a thread about this a while ago but im new to the forum and was wondering

what kind of whp numbers would you see from a bpu cooper? it will be my dailr driver and i wanted to know what kind of pep id get outta her with intake e4xaust and headers (the smog legal path)

thanks for ur help

-mike

 

um, what are "BPU numbers"?

my advice is to try the [search] function.

also, since this is power related, moving to Performance modifications forum

 

BPU means "Basic Performance Upgrades" or "Bolt-on Performance Upgrades". Intake, exhaust, etc.

 

BPU is a term used for the toyota supraTT. NOT for the MINI. It was started by Mark Tozer of http://www.suprastore.com. Please dont start to use this for the MINI. There is a set list of mods to do to the supra to be BPU, there is no set list for the MINI. And Andy was right, it stands for Basic Performance Upgrades.
-Yeagy
supraforums.com member since 97'

ps: just read your sig...you should know better then to associate BPU with the MINI....

 

>>BPU is a term used for the toyota supraTT.

Yeagy,

Don't be too hard on the guy! While the term BPU may have originated in Supra land, I've seen it used for other cars as well.

Fusaro,

I'm assuming you're NOT talking about the Cooper S, so I'm not to sure what gains regular cooper mods yeild. I'd recomend going to some of the vendor's websites and take their claims with a grain of salt.

 

For the MCS, the word for "BPU" is "Pulley".

 

I had a little spare time on my hands so I did a little internet sluething...

Just checked and the term "Basic Performance Upgrades" is not trademarked in the USA. BPU is trademarked by a software company in SF.
Check for yourselves: US Patent and Trademark Office search form

Isn't it odd that the supra site has the TM logo after "Basic Performance Upgrades" and yet it is not a registered TM. Then they have the TM after "BPU" which that TM doesn't even belong to them anymore.

However, they appear to be incorrectly using BPU with a TM sign, as BPU is actually registered to what appears to be a software company in SF, CA called Exigen (USA), Inc. It's a trademark for some sort of accounting software. The SN is 78156882

If you look at "dead" TM's then the suprastore used to have it trademarked. SN 78154419 registered to SupraStore.com Sole Proprietorship ARIZONA 300 N. Portland Avenue Gilbert ARIZONA 85234. This Trademark went dead in July 2003.

Just stating facts here. Not making any conclusions here...you're fully free to come to your own.

*puts on flame-proof suit*

 

dominicminicoopers,

How dare you challenge things I've read on the Internet?

 

Andy, I guess I'm just a rebel

 

Would somebody please move this thread to the "Legal Modifications" forum.

 

haha wow 9 replies and not one straight anwser, this is my kind of forum.

i am speaking about the MINI Cooper S i was under the impression the car is 165 hp stock so comewhere near 145 at the wheels.

i was really asking if anyone on the forum did the basic bolt ons ( and has a BPU mini just to further enrage the slightly **** supra forum junkie) and took their car to a dyno.

if i drove the car daily i would only pick up a few parts (catback headers intake) i wouldnt do the pully or ecu at least i dont think i would. i was only curious what kind of numbers the car can actually put to the ground

thanks for the interesting side arguments though, they add personality to the thread

thanks
-mike

 

205 to 210hp seems to be a good round number. But that is usually with a full set of mods - intake, exhaust, pully, and ecu. You definitely can increase these numbers even further, dramatically so, even.
A larget throttle body can add another 5. A racing header - another 4 to 6. Add some laughing gas, and you have another 25 +
You have to remember, though, the drivetrain will need quite a substantial beefing up to be able to handle theese numbers. I think I read somewhere that the stock trans can only handle up to like 210hp without struggling.
If you just plan on intake, catback, your probably going to see an extra 15hp.

 

dominicminicoopers - i don't know a lot about this stuff but i'll comment anyway. I'm not sure of the legal consequences of this. Since the term is used in a different field (software/computers), I believe it is ok to use it.

As far as the label TM is concerned, TM is NOT for registered trademarks. That's what the symbol "R" with a circle around it is for. TM is for companies that are using a term or phrase as a trademark but have not registered it or have applied for registration. This gives them certain rights. They do not, however, have to register their trademark. So unless they are violating someone's REGISTERED (R) trademark in the same or very similar field, just using TM for an unregistered trademark is perfectly fine.

 

>>dominicminicoopers - i don't know a lot about this stuff but i'll comment anyway. I'm not sure of the legal consequences of this. Since the term is used in a different field (software/computers), I believe it is ok to use it.
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>>As far as the label TM is concerned, TM is NOT for registered trademarks. That's what the symbol "R" with a circle around it is for. TM is for companies that are using a term or phrase as a trademark but have not registered it or have applied for registration. This gives them certain rights. They do not, however, have to register their trademark. So unless they are violating someone's REGISTERED (R) trademark in the same or very similar field, just using TM for an unregistered trademark is perfectly fine.

Very interesting infromation. I just had a little time on my hands so off I went on the internet. I've never dealt with TM or (R) before so I did a quick Yahoo on Trademark and found the gov office's web site that had a search tool. I was totally not away of the intracasies that this whole thing has. This must be why there's attorney's that specialize in TMs. Thanks Greatgro for adding to the discussion.

 

is i should say i have a BPU (TM) RX-7?

 

OK, time to go do some more internet sleuthing. I just read http://www.marklaw.com/trademark-FAQ/faqbasic.htm . The third highlighted section, clearly shows my understanding of the use of TM is, in whole, incorrect. The information on that page expands upon what Greatgro stated.