That's why I asked. Mine is facing aft as well, and it's not too tight, meaning there is still a curve coming off the sensor, rather than being pulled tight.

 

No, I realize that. I just wanted to make it plain that my post was not to promote one product or degrade another. I wanted it to be known that "for me", the bung seems to be working and was wondering if maybe the lengthening of the wires may have contributed to his problem. Obviously, everyone's car is different. He has different mods and tune from my car, so, it's possible that the bung just plays better with what's on my car vs. his. I was simply trying to help .

 

It appears that folks have gotten a bit off track on what this thread is about so to refresh your memory, here it is again!!! Please, let's keep it on track.

RMW vs Magnaflow
As you may have read in the RMW shorty code p0036 several of us were having a continuing problem of codes being thrown when using the RMW header. As I still have issues and my emails , phone calls and Pm's to Jan have gone unanswered I have been forced to once again try to get some answers to my dilemma via the forum. Based on what was said by Jan the guilty party is that Magnaflow sold him a bad batch of catalytic converters. It could happen , no one is perfect . The part that I didn't understand was when Jan made this statement .


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Every header out there that has sold as many headers as we have, has had some headers that have thrown codes. So Miltek, Janspeed and every other major brand never did testing? Come on ezput....... Most of the ones throwing codes were out of the last 2 batches of cats from Magnaflow. I called Magnaflow and spoke to their engineers after the batch that started throwing codes, they said they were fine and nothing was changed. So they said it must have been bad cats. (yes, due diligence was done immediately when the problem arose) There was about a 50% failure rate of last 2 batches. Magnaflow is not standing behind the product be we are fixing them on our own dime. I'm sorry you don't want to take the options I gave you, it's better than me telling you to take it up with Magnaflow


Now what I found strange that a company the size of Magnaflow with their reputation for standing behind there product would leave someone like RMW hanging in this manner . After quite a period of time I decided to call Magnaflow and see what might be done about this situation. Upon talking to Derek Acosta via the tech line 1-800-824-8664 I was given two surprises, well only one was a real surprise actually. The first is that Magnaflow was aware of the thread on NAM . The second " surprise " was that no one at Magnaflow had talked to Jan personally and declared that they would not stand behind their products. He also gave me the name of the Director of Engineering , Richard Waitif ext. 1174 and said that I could double check with him but he , Derek , was sure that it was not Magnaflow's policy to not stand behind something they made. What I found most disturbing was that no one at Magnaflow has any knowledge of a " bad batch " much less a " 50% failure rate of last 2 batches ".So bearing this in mind what am I and the others stuck in this similar situation to believe and more importantly what if any resolution will be forth coming ? As I mentioned earlier Magnaflow was aware of the previous thread and will be watching this new one as well. They welcome any calls to the above mentioned tech line if anyone needs further clarification .

For those of you that are just having the code issues popping up you can get a lot of the history of this problem here : Arty

https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/drivetrain-cooper-s/162822-rmw-shorty-code-p0036.html

 

It's good that the wires are not tight are they routed the same as they were before the header install? Mine went thru two clips on the heat sheild and into a plastic clip where the wires kind of "s" turned under two brake lines I believe and then connect to the harness,the connectors are also attached to the plastic clip. As far as my wiring causing the problem I have swapped the sensors from front to back and the same code comes up so the wiring and the sensors are out of the picture. And as Magnaflow says it's not the cat. Soooooo

 

Good cat versus bad cat! There can only be one victor

 

^ This Thread is Relative to my interests.

 

Five pages of mostly unrelated banter, so I see why you provide your original post again...

I recall reading somewhere here that Magnaflow cats don't last all that long, at least from that poster's experience. That is not the issue though. Parts fail, always do, eventually. When it happens though, how is it handled, by the vendor and/or manufacturer? That really seems to be the issue here...

The vendor indicated that fault lies in the cat and that the manufacturer of the cat declined to stand behind its product. Yet, the manufacturer says that the vendor never contacted them with such an issue. This is a fact-finding mission as someone is not telling the truth...

In this thread the vendor has been asked to provide the name of the employee or employees of the manufacturer spoken to about this matter. This seems like a reasonable, doable request.

I'm guessing that vendors have accounts with the manufacturer, and with that, possibly a dedicated contact person or people for when placing orders and for inquiries. If so, providing a name should not be remarkably challenging...

The customer is not satisfied with the part and the service provided by the vendor. As a hypothetical, even if the manufacturer's part is faulty and the company not ideally standing behind its product, the reality is that the vendor chose that component and manufacturer. Although it would suck, the responsibility ultimately resides with the vendor.

And if the part and manufacturer are being thrown under a bus as some here indicate, then this is a rather serious matter.

 

Look, just get this thread over and done with. Dragging this simple inquirery through pages and pages of totally of topic banter is ridiculous, especially when it is so simple, as Tony points out.

• EZ has an issue that he has been sitting on for close to three months.
• Jan tells EZ "Magnaflow is not standing behind the product be we are fixing them on our own dime. I'm sorry you don't want to take the options I gave you, it's better than me telling you to take it up with Magnaflow".
• EZ called Magnaflow and received the answer he posted. "..no one at Magnaflow had talked to Jan personally and declared that they would not stand behind their products","..no one at Magnaflow has any knowledge of a " bad batch " much less a " 50% failure rate of last 2 batches
• Longboard states.." I know for a fact that big Mag told Jan to go pound sand. .."

So simple. Jan, just tell EZ who to talk to directly so he can get some closer on this.

 

I think the same thing everytime the cat fighting begins.

 

I'm actually intrigued by these responses. IF Jan provides a contact, there is the possibility of two responses:

1) "Yes, cats were faulty, but we're not going to warranty it."
2) "No, cats were fine and it's RMW's fault."

Given that the first response: 1) confirms poor product quality and 2) poor business practices, I wonder which responses will be chosen...

 

Well? By got it worked are you saying Jan already replaced this guys cat? You seem to be so in the know. Care to expound? Or is it a secret? How did this get worked out? Is he a NAM member? I would love to know how he had this issue resolved so quickly. Thanks in advance.

 

Where's Jan?

He has no reply to what Derek and Richard from Magnaflow told ez1putt?

 

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Why don't you have a sit down together. You guy's could talk about the RSR car's in the pit area. Check out the RMW headers on the car's.

 

Jan is in CT tuning the RSR race cars for this weekends race. He hasn't been home for the last month. He won't really be home for the next two months as he has tuning parties and the race cars to work on until mid summer .

Sorry back to your scheduled witch hunt .

Longboard

 

So you are not going to answer my question? You are saying that the header that was sold by mental was ALREADY fixed? Is this true?

 

You must be going through withdrawals, with him being so close to NY. Unless you're already at LRP with him, in which case he wouldn't be able to sit down.
Good thing the race cars don't have to worry about cat codes.
No witch hunt going on here...just trying to figure out who's the bigger liar, RMW or Magnaflow.

 

A witch hunt is a hysterical search for witches or evidence of witchcraft, often involving moral panic, mass hysteria and mob lynching, but in historical instances also legally sanctioned and involving official witchcraft trials.
The classical period of witchhunts in Europe falls into the Early Modern period or about 1480 to 1700, spanning the upheavals of the Reformation and the Thirty Years' War, resulting in hundreds of thousands of executions.[1]
Many cultures throughout the world, both ancient and modern, have reacted to allegations of witchcraft with either superstitious fear and awe, and killed any alleged practitioners of witchcraft outright; or, shunned it as quackery, extortion or fraud. Witch-hunts still occur in the modern era in many communities where religious values condemn the practice of witchcraft and the occult.
The term "witch-hunt" is often used to refer to similarly panic-induced searches for perceived wrong-doers other than witches. The best known example is probably the McCarthyist search for communists during the Cold War,[2][3] which was discredited partly through being compared to the Salem witch trials.[2]

 

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Jan's tuning RSR race car's?????????????????????????

He must have paid them for the rights to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He did pay them to use his header. Well thats what NAM says.
Maybe it was the free stickers.

 

Wow you know how to use "Wikipedia"

 

Well, Jan's logged in...

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...I guess he has no response to the guys at Magnaflow, or anyone on here for that matter.

 

Partsman, Why do i find it kind of sad that your just sitting around watching to see if jans on while your at work. And you work for MINI right?
This explains the poor service on their end....

And Yep gotta love wikipedia, Read it thru and you will realise the description fits.

 

The ball riding by you guys is hilarious. Just a swingin

 

Juan?...who's Juan?

You find it sad because you have nothing better to do either.

Poor service?? We are #1 in the country for CSI! (put that in your pipe, and smoke it)

 

It is even more sad that, while at work, I am reading through your posts wondering where you learned to write.

You post the most random *** **** that has no relevance to anything.

TonyB has summed up this thread as best as anyone could!

I think SilverSmoke needs to read a dictionary before he reads wikipedia.

 

I'd like to know this as well...

2.5k miles. RWM header installed and tuned. Code P0420 thrown.

6k miles. J-bung installed, facing forward. Tuned again. Codes P0420, P0036 and P0039 now thrown, repeatedly.

12k miles now. Car still codes within a few hours of driving after clearing them. In addition, the car now runs very rich, as there is dark black soot at the tailpipes and covering the entire rear hatch on the car. Didn't do this at 6k miles when the second tune occurred, and there have been no changes to ECU or anything else since 6k miles.

ECU adjusting due to the codes that continuously get thrown?
Don't know, as I'm not the tuner in the picture.

Still waiting to find out what the fix is for the "not acceptable" condition (in Jan's own words, after telling him about the codes post J-bung and 2nd tune)

Last time I spoke to Jan, he mentioned the potential use of an M3 cat, at "three times" the cost. No mention of scheduling a time for them to fix it, or that they were ready with a "fix" for the "bad batch of cats".
Just that the new cat that could fix it is "three times the cost".

For who?