Drivetrain RMW vs Magnaflow
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Wow....
I also found it strange as a company the size of Magnaflow would have quality control procedures in place that would prevent a large number of faulty products to slip through the cracks like that....and then if it did happen for a company not to replace such a large batch of faulty parts....not going to happen....
I also found it strange as a company the size of Magnaflow would have quality control procedures in place that would prevent a large number of faulty products to slip through the cracks like that....and then if it did happen for a company not to replace such a large batch of faulty parts....not going to happen....
I think Borla has the million mile warranty...but never the less, for Jan to state that "Magnaflow is not standing behind the product" is pretty bold.
Does he really think that out of everyone who has his header and supplemental codes, not one of them would actually contact Magnaflow to see what's going on with the cats?
Does he really think that out of everyone who has his header and supplemental codes, not one of them would actually contact Magnaflow to see what's going on with the cats?
Deny, deny and deny some more until they find the blue dress.
I'm not saying it's RMW's or Magnaflow's fault, but did you expect them to reply in any other way?
Well Magnaflow has no problem to speak about it on the phone, where-as Jan won't even answer the phone for the original poster.... Come to your own conclusions if you will.
You would think that if a customer was bad mouthing your company on the internet, the business would contact the customer over the phone and make things right?
I know if I sold an item and didn't know the customer was unhappy until I found out about it on the internet - I would call that customer RIGHT THAT SECOND and make things right. My company bends over backwards to make the customer happy...
Hey.. sometimes my company makes mistakes, sometimes the customer does, but in the end - it has to be fixed - it usually comes out of my pocket because in the end, the customer is the most important and word of mouth is the biggest seller of products.
I'd rather know there is an issue than to not hear about it at all - you can't fix things you don't know about.
You would think that if a customer was bad mouthing your company on the internet, the business would contact the customer over the phone and make things right?
I know if I sold an item and didn't know the customer was unhappy until I found out about it on the internet - I would call that customer RIGHT THAT SECOND and make things right. My company bends over backwards to make the customer happy...
Hey.. sometimes my company makes mistakes, sometimes the customer does, but in the end - it has to be fixed - it usually comes out of my pocket because in the end, the customer is the most important and word of mouth is the biggest seller of products.
I'd rather know there is an issue than to not hear about it at all - you can't fix things you don't know about.
I don't typically comment on threads like these, but I'm just wondering if you guys drive Mini's? How many posts have you read on here where Mini corporate/dealership ignores issues? Plenty of large manufacturers don't stand behind what they make... I used to have a Samsung TV that broke down due to a soundcard issue and they blamed it on interference. Now mind you, I have two of the same tv so I moved my other TV into the same exact location and it was fine. To this day, I still have a faulty Samsung TV that seems to suffer from 'interference' while the other one does not...
Seems like they're taking a page out of the book of the same book that Clinton, Bush and Edwards read.
Deny, deny and deny some more until they find the blue dress.
I'm not saying it's RMW's or Magnaflow's fault, but did you expect them to reply in any other way?
Seems like they're taking a page out of the book of the same book that Clinton, Bush and Edwards read.
Deny, deny and deny some more until they find the blue dress.
I'm not saying it's RMW's or Magnaflow's fault, but did you expect them to reply in any other way?
Is there an insult there? Webster writing on a piece of paper?
Wow - you guys are REALLY stretching for anything you can get your hands on to get peoples attention off the SUBJECT of this thread.
Wow - you guys are REALLY stretching for anything you can get your hands on to get peoples attention off the SUBJECT of this thread.
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Well Magnaflow has no problem to speak about it on the phone, where-as Jan won't even answer the phone for the original poster.... Come to your own conclusions if you will.
You would think that if a customer was bad mouthing your company on the internet, the business would contact the customer over the phone and make things right?
I know if I sold an item and didn't know the customer was unhappy until I found out about it on the internet - I would call that customer RIGHT THAT SECOND and make things right. My company bends over backwards to make the customer happy...
Hey.. sometimes my company makes mistakes, sometimes the customer does, but in the end - it has to be fixed - it usually comes out of my pocket because in the end, the customer is the most important and word of mouth is the biggest seller of products.
I'd rather know there is an issue than to not hear about it at all - you can't fix things you don't know about.
You would think that if a customer was bad mouthing your company on the internet, the business would contact the customer over the phone and make things right?
I know if I sold an item and didn't know the customer was unhappy until I found out about it on the internet - I would call that customer RIGHT THAT SECOND and make things right. My company bends over backwards to make the customer happy...
Hey.. sometimes my company makes mistakes, sometimes the customer does, but in the end - it has to be fixed - it usually comes out of my pocket because in the end, the customer is the most important and word of mouth is the biggest seller of products.
I'd rather know there is an issue than to not hear about it at all - you can't fix things you don't know about.
Regarding your business practice, I applaud you and beleive businesses would be all better off for it, but that doesn't mean Magnaflow is following your ideal.
There are two scenarios:
1) MF created faulty cat and lies. RMW is replacing it. RMW is following your ideal since he's solving a problem that Magnaflow won't fix.
2) MF creates good cat and tells the truth. RMW is replacing it. RMW is following your ideal although misrepresenting the source of the problem.
Either way, I find it difficult to draw some sort of conclusion from either of these scenarios since they're both perfectly plausible.
The issue though is that with all the venom that is spewed all over NAM, it probably discourages many vendors to work with this market. In the M3 market, the AA and HPF guys seems to get along fine...
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It seems that a lot of the MINI vendors were just small up-start companies and have a harder time fixing things with their low profit margins. If that is indeed the case, that is unfortunate for them.
The OP's main issue isn't the product per-say at this juncture, but more about how he feels lied to and being ignored.
I happen to know the OP personally and can see where he is coming from. He is so "hostile" as you put it because this is all about business morals/practice. The way the things have been "handled" for him have not been normal business standards.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seems like the POINT needs to be reiterated so that everyone can be on the same page as the OP.
This isn't a RMW vs. ________ thread (read: Mynes) but more about a "he said she said" type deal where only Magnaflow has came to the plate and admitted that they warrant their products.
The OP's main issue isn't the product per-say at this juncture, but more about how he feels lied to and being ignored.
I happen to know the OP personally and can see where he is coming from. He is so "hostile" as you put it because this is all about business morals/practice. The way the things have been "handled" for him have not been normal business standards.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seems like the POINT needs to be reiterated so that everyone can be on the same page as the OP.
This isn't a RMW vs. ________ thread (read: Mynes) but more about a "he said she said" type deal where only Magnaflow has came to the plate and admitted that they warrant their products.
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I agree with the above post the AA and HPF folks are pretty cool.
It just seems that the Arizona crew is blowing this out of proportion.
The OP is failing to realise how hard it is to run a company with this much action alone and still keep the wife from killing you.
Really As posted in another thread previously locked Jan offered you 3 options.
Why your still crying and whining like my Friends Newborn.
To me it makes you look bad not anyone else. Who cares if Magnaflow did or did not tell him to pound sand. its a moot point if he offered you 3 not one not two countem 3 options to fix your car
But you were too fickle to take any of them.
in that thread you got brutally smacked down by anyone whos ever bought parts.
I dont know how old you are or if you inexperenced with the way the world works but you better get on it. I see no point for this thread.
Furthermore, The picture i posted was basicly relating the Az to a bunch of kindergardeners mindlessly scribbling whatever to bring everyone down.
Call me a Rmw supporter but i think mynes is just fine as well. I really havent said a bad thing about them, In fact i challenge you to find where i have.
Ladies, Enjoy your day.
Please enjoy your day and start posting as oposed to what simply seems like a drunk pounding the key board with his empty bottle.
It just seems that the Arizona crew is blowing this out of proportion.
The OP is failing to realise how hard it is to run a company with this much action alone and still keep the wife from killing you.
Really As posted in another thread previously locked Jan offered you 3 options.
Why your still crying and whining like my Friends Newborn.
To me it makes you look bad not anyone else. Who cares if Magnaflow did or did not tell him to pound sand. its a moot point if he offered you 3 not one not two countem 3 options to fix your car
But you were too fickle to take any of them.
in that thread you got brutally smacked down by anyone whos ever bought parts.
I dont know how old you are or if you inexperenced with the way the world works but you better get on it. I see no point for this thread.
Furthermore, The picture i posted was basicly relating the Az to a bunch of kindergardeners mindlessly scribbling whatever to bring everyone down.
Call me a Rmw supporter but i think mynes is just fine as well. I really havent said a bad thing about them, In fact i challenge you to find where i have.
Ladies, Enjoy your day.
Please enjoy your day and start posting as oposed to what simply seems like a drunk pounding the key board with his empty bottle.
It seems that a lot of the MINI vendors were just small up-start companies and have a harder time fixing things with their low profit margins. If that is indeed the case, that is unfortunate for them.
The OP's main issue isn't the product per-say at this juncture, but more about how he feels lied to and being ignored.
I happen to know the OP personally and can see where he is coming from. He is so "hostile" as you put it because this is all about business morals/practice. The way the things have been "handled" for him have not been normal business standards.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seems like the POINT needs to be reiterated so that everyone can be on the same page as the OP.
This isn't a RMW vs. ________ thread (read: Mynes) but more about a "he said she said" type deal where only Magnaflow has came to the plate and admitted that they warrant their products.
The OP's main issue isn't the product per-say at this juncture, but more about how he feels lied to and being ignored.
I happen to know the OP personally and can see where he is coming from. He is so "hostile" as you put it because this is all about business morals/practice. The way the things have been "handled" for him have not been normal business standards.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seems like the POINT needs to be reiterated so that everyone can be on the same page as the OP.
This isn't a RMW vs. ________ thread (read: Mynes) but more about a "he said she said" type deal where only Magnaflow has came to the plate and admitted that they warrant their products.
It is what it is.
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Speaking as someone who has put about 5K miles on the RMW header/quiet exhaust and not gotten this code even once, those who have had the MF replaced, do they still have this code?
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I don't see the name either, until someone bought our name up about GP software which has nothing to do with P codes and cat converters.
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It has everything to do with mynes. Most of the people posting in this thread that are anti rmw are in the mynes camp. they are know for stiring the pot. its not like they have been on topic either...
Is there a god? Sure why not, It really depends on the person.
Why are we here? Why are we here? Like on nam? Not a clue, I guess to start sniping matches and to talk about what to name our cars.
Who let the dogs out? And Uhh were you under a rock for the past 15 years its clearly
Is there a god? Sure why not, It really depends on the person.
Why are we here? Why are we here? Like on nam? Not a clue, I guess to start sniping matches and to talk about what to name our cars.
Who let the dogs out? And Uhh were you under a rock for the past 15 years its clearly
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The OP's main issue isn't the product per-say at this juncture, but more about how he feels lied to and being ignored.
I happen to know the OP personally and can see where he is coming from. He is so "hostile" as you put it because this is all about business morals/practice. The way the things have been "handled" for him have not been normal business standards.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seems like the POINT needs to be reiterated so that everyone can be on the same page as the OP.
I happen to know the OP personally and can see where he is coming from. He is so "hostile" as you put it because this is all about business morals/practice. The way the things have been "handled" for him have not been normal business standards.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seems like the POINT needs to be reiterated so that everyone can be on the same page as the OP.
I don't see anything admirable about what Magnaflow did. Maybe I missed it, but did they replace it for him? At this juncture, it just seems like both vendors haven't done anything, but one did offer up options? Am I misunderstanding the situation. Please let me know because I've been trying to set up a Houston tune party with either RMW or Mynes and would like to know any information that would sway me one way or another.
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It has everything to do with mynes. Most of the people posting in this thread that are anti rmw are in the mynes camp. they are know for stiring the pot. its not like they have been on topic either...
Is there a god? Sure why not, It really depends on the person.
Why are we here? Why are we here? Like on nam? Not a clue, I guess to start sniping matches and to talk about what to name our cars.
Who let the dogs out? And Uhh were you under a rock for the past 15 years its clearly
Is there a god? Sure why not, It really depends on the person.
Why are we here? Why are we here? Like on nam? Not a clue, I guess to start sniping matches and to talk about what to name our cars.
Who let the dogs out? And Uhh were you under a rock for the past 15 years its clearly
How all theses guys anti-RMW and most all of them have RMW parts??? It's not going to work buddy... Stay on topic...
My question would be.. if there were 3 options...
1.) drive to CA to have it fixed
2.) RMW will send a new one when they have a new batch with new (cat / j-bung / whatever) to make it work
3.) Don't remember the third?
Do 1 & 2 cancel out? If he had driven to CA... what product would he receive?
1.) drive to CA to have it fixed
2.) RMW will send a new one when they have a new batch with new (cat / j-bung / whatever) to make it work
3.) Don't remember the third?
Do 1 & 2 cancel out? If he had driven to CA... what product would he receive?
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POST#1 Just got my header and cam installed yesterday The car runs great, a little loud when you open the taps, but great! I extended both O2 sensor wire harnesses due to the sensor ports are a little furthur aft than on the oem header and I was able to route the wire bundles the origanal way with out them being banjo string tight. No codes so far....now about that tune.
POST#2 Yes, I'm getting code's a p2096 (post cat fuel trim system to lean) this one comes up every 3-4 day's and one p0136 (o2 sensor circuit bank 1 sensor 2) this one has only showed up once and cleared with ease. I've got the p2096 code maybe 8 or 10 times after installing the "j" bung shorty header the first was 2 days after the install and I thought that it was due to not having the car tuned. But after the tune (232 whp/190 tq by the way) it come's back after 3-4 day's for no real reason, I mean if I flog it might show up or take just a nice easy cruse it appears on the next start up. I have only once had the light come on while I have been driving. I am thinking that maybe the post cat sensor is going bad but at $200 a pop I want to have that p0136 code show up and not be able to clear it. I did extend the wire harness on both of the sensors so they fit the header better since the sensor ports are at a differient location from the stock header.The post cat sensor wire's are maybe 4-6 inches longer and I am wondering if since the ecu is comparing the two signal's if the wire lenght is causing a issue? I'm thinking that I've got the wiring correct or I would be tossing a p0136 code all the time I guess time will tell
POST#3 Untrue I did not buy a header to stare a a SES light
POST#4Well I jacked the car up and swaped the o2 sensors and cleared the p2096 code and then went out and drove the car after shut down and restart the same code came up soooo the sensors and my wire job should be good. Called Helix and Jan and talked it over and now Jan is going to send me a new header with a different bung on it. VERY COOL!!! I hope that this is the end of this issue.
POST#5Very nice, keep us in the loop. I'm still waiting for Jan to send me the replacement header hopefully he will get it on the way this week. Were you getting the same p2096 code and the SES light?
Nazrin WOW...SO is Jan gonna replace all headers thats throwing codes? thats brilliant after sales service if you ask me...( I found this very funny considering current events)
Now The reference about Jan’s Three Options. I can even find you the thread just pm me for it. I think its against the rules to cross post?
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ode-p0036.html
Post#5 Yes he got back with the three options, all three were discussed in this thread and sending a new header was the best BUT when it takes a month or more to complete this is not right(remember that peskey emmissons testing thing) and also remember he is still selling headers so why can't he box one up and send it? Second, it's not a postage paid package its a SHIPPING LABLE and a refund and yes there are companys that do this EVERYWHERE it's called customer service and standing behind your product, instead of me pounding sand you should dig your head out of it(or whatever you have it stuck in).What this is all about,in case you havent picked it up yet, is Jan has gone to great lengths to spout about how he TESTS all his products before he sells them. Now here we are on the second verson of his header and it's still throwing codes so even you can see that I'm not all that warm and fuzzy that the third will be good. It's called due dillagence it looks as if he has not used it on his origanal header nor has he used it with the fix for the codes. And lastly why are you interested?? You seem very happy with all your RMW parts, so run along
POST#2 Yes, I'm getting code's a p2096 (post cat fuel trim system to lean) this one comes up every 3-4 day's and one p0136 (o2 sensor circuit bank 1 sensor 2) this one has only showed up once and cleared with ease. I've got the p2096 code maybe 8 or 10 times after installing the "j" bung shorty header the first was 2 days after the install and I thought that it was due to not having the car tuned. But after the tune (232 whp/190 tq by the way) it come's back after 3-4 day's for no real reason, I mean if I flog it might show up or take just a nice easy cruse it appears on the next start up. I have only once had the light come on while I have been driving. I am thinking that maybe the post cat sensor is going bad but at $200 a pop I want to have that p0136 code show up and not be able to clear it. I did extend the wire harness on both of the sensors so they fit the header better since the sensor ports are at a differient location from the stock header.The post cat sensor wire's are maybe 4-6 inches longer and I am wondering if since the ecu is comparing the two signal's if the wire lenght is causing a issue? I'm thinking that I've got the wiring correct or I would be tossing a p0136 code all the time I guess time will tell
POST#3 Untrue I did not buy a header to stare a a SES light
POST#4Well I jacked the car up and swaped the o2 sensors and cleared the p2096 code and then went out and drove the car after shut down and restart the same code came up soooo the sensors and my wire job should be good. Called Helix and Jan and talked it over and now Jan is going to send me a new header with a different bung on it. VERY COOL!!! I hope that this is the end of this issue.
POST#5Very nice, keep us in the loop. I'm still waiting for Jan to send me the replacement header hopefully he will get it on the way this week. Were you getting the same p2096 code and the SES light?
Nazrin WOW...SO is Jan gonna replace all headers thats throwing codes? thats brilliant after sales service if you ask me...( I found this very funny considering current events)
Now The reference about Jan’s Three Options. I can even find you the thread just pm me for it. I think its against the rules to cross post?
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ode-p0036.html
Post#5 Yes he got back with the three options, all three were discussed in this thread and sending a new header was the best BUT when it takes a month or more to complete this is not right(remember that peskey emmissons testing thing) and also remember he is still selling headers so why can't he box one up and send it? Second, it's not a postage paid package its a SHIPPING LABLE and a refund and yes there are companys that do this EVERYWHERE it's called customer service and standing behind your product, instead of me pounding sand you should dig your head out of it(or whatever you have it stuck in).What this is all about,in case you havent picked it up yet, is Jan has gone to great lengths to spout about how he TESTS all his products before he sells them. Now here we are on the second verson of his header and it's still throwing codes so even you can see that I'm not all that warm and fuzzy that the third will be good. It's called due dillagence it looks as if he has not used it on his origanal header nor has he used it with the fix for the codes. And lastly why are you interested?? You seem very happy with all your RMW parts, so run along
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you know jason I'm pretty sure that its the tone and thing that are being said that sets the example there.
I can say that Ford's blow monkey Kock, and I happen to own a GT500
have fun Dr. Spin You know after all the internet is SRS business.
I can say that Ford's blow monkey Kock, and I happen to own a GT500
have fun Dr. Spin You know after all the internet is SRS business.
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Hmmm.... (GT500) and still not on topic. Sorry ez1putt
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As someone who has no ties or products from either vendor. The way people act in threads like this one really sway my product buying decisions to other vendors. For being mostly grown men (im assuming) you sure act like a bunch of little girls. To the OP, I hope you get your situation worked out. You spent a lot of money and deserve to have a working product.
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Bad Cats, That did not light off fast enough. So in turn not lighting off fast enough tells the car that they arent working and triggers the check engine light. Once up to temp their should be no problem.
And its Nam were never on topic. thats half the fun.
And its Nam were never on topic. thats half the fun.
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I will start another thread explaining the BMW/Siemens Catalyst Monitoring. I think this would help educate MINI owners and understand what is going on with their cars. What do you guys think?
Here's the link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2773708
Here's the link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2773708
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Can you exlpain please? I have had the SES light on since the day the header was installed in Feb. Do you mean the light may one day go away after reaching a certain temp? Or do you mean with a cat that reaches the correct tepms there isnt a problem? Thanks in advance. Now I know who let the dogs out. How I could have missed their genius is beyond me.