Drivetrain RMW vs Magnaflow
jaytech
First of all I didn't say I was sure it was you at Mynes. Second the statement about the GP software files didn't come from Jan or LB. There was a thread in which this was brought up and one of the above parties said that was then this is now.
Thanks for the info. Very informative.
First of all I didn't say I was sure it was you at Mynes. Second the statement about the GP software files didn't come from Jan or LB. There was a thread in which this was brought up and one of the above parties said that was then this is now.
Thanks for the info. Very informative.
You believe everything Jan and Longboard tells you, that's fine. Which makes you as clueless as them. They tell you that we loaded GP software into all cars we tuned. Which means those years ranges from 2002-2008 (R52). If this person who knows anything about Siemens ECU's should already know that 2002-2004 Siemens ECU uses the same vector tables, 2005 Siemens ECU has a different vector table, 2005 Siemens VDO ECU uses a different variant of the C167 series micro and vector table, 2006 Siemens VDO uses a the same variant C167 series micro as the 2005 Siemens VDO ECU but uses a totally different vector table.
Now what does all that means you ask???
2002-2004 Siemens ROMS - are interchangable, only if the original 2002 code has been updated to current Leakage Diagnosis Pump fix Software. So that means you can't use GP software in these ECU's.
2005 Siemens ECU - only can use ROMS of this year, can't upload 2002-2004 software into it. Means you can't use GP software.
2005 Siemens VDO ECU- only can use ROMS of this year, can't upload 2005 Siemens ECU ROMS or 2002-2004 Siemens ECU ROMS, or even 2006 Siemens VDO ROMS. So this means you can't use GP software into these ECU's
2006 Siemens VDO ECU- only can use 2006 ROMS, you can't upload any ROM from the previous years into this ECU. You can use GP Software into these ECU's.
2007-2008 (R52) Siemens VDO ECU- only can use these two years, because it's different vector table address than the 2006 Siemens VDO ECU. So you can't use a GP software into this ECU either.
Now this is where the GP comes into play. You can update a regular 2006 MCS with a GP ROM since the GP has some code fixes. Just like RMW loads a JCW into a MCS because it's a better ROM to start off with. It's been a couple of cars we fix tunes on a 2006 MCS model after a RMW tune, and it has 2006 GP Software as well!!!! Not going to mention these people names. So the outcome to this make sure you copy and save this statement to your desktop: YOU CAN ONLY UPLOAD A GP ROM ONLY IN 2006 MODEL MCS SIEMENS VDO ECU. IF YOU TRY TO UPLOAD GP SOFTWARE INTO ANY OTHER YEARS, YOU WILL GET A NO START CONDITION.
So when your Jan and Longboard makes statements that we just loaded GP Software into every car we have tuned, that just shows they have no idea how this ECU works and all it's variants. For an example Tex Guthrie's car that we tuned some years back, and when he races and he wins. Longboard made a statement that we use GP software into Tex's car, and his car is a 2002 model which his ECU for one uses a different variant processor than a GP processor, so how can that work?
So if you are still hoodwink by Jan, try this... buy his remote tune stuff, and try to interchange GP software into previous years. Download a GP ROM yourself, and flash it into a 2002-2005 car yourself, and see what happens.
So back to the thread.
Now what does all that means you ask???
2002-2004 Siemens ROMS - are interchangable, only if the original 2002 code has been updated to current Leakage Diagnosis Pump fix Software. So that means you can't use GP software in these ECU's.
2005 Siemens ECU - only can use ROMS of this year, can't upload 2002-2004 software into it. Means you can't use GP software.
2005 Siemens VDO ECU- only can use ROMS of this year, can't upload 2005 Siemens ECU ROMS or 2002-2004 Siemens ECU ROMS, or even 2006 Siemens VDO ROMS. So this means you can't use GP software into these ECU's
2006 Siemens VDO ECU- only can use 2006 ROMS, you can't upload any ROM from the previous years into this ECU. You can use GP Software into these ECU's.
2007-2008 (R52) Siemens VDO ECU- only can use these two years, because it's different vector table address than the 2006 Siemens VDO ECU. So you can't use a GP software into this ECU either.
Now this is where the GP comes into play. You can update a regular 2006 MCS with a GP ROM since the GP has some code fixes. Just like RMW loads a JCW into a MCS because it's a better ROM to start off with. It's been a couple of cars we fix tunes on a 2006 MCS model after a RMW tune, and it has 2006 GP Software as well!!!! Not going to mention these people names. So the outcome to this make sure you copy and save this statement to your desktop: YOU CAN ONLY UPLOAD A GP ROM ONLY IN 2006 MODEL MCS SIEMENS VDO ECU. IF YOU TRY TO UPLOAD GP SOFTWARE INTO ANY OTHER YEARS, YOU WILL GET A NO START CONDITION.
So when your Jan and Longboard makes statements that we just loaded GP Software into every car we have tuned, that just shows they have no idea how this ECU works and all it's variants. For an example Tex Guthrie's car that we tuned some years back, and when he races and he wins. Longboard made a statement that we use GP software into Tex's car, and his car is a 2002 model which his ECU for one uses a different variant processor than a GP processor, so how can that work?
So if you are still hoodwink by Jan, try this... buy his remote tune stuff, and try to interchange GP software into previous years. Download a GP ROM yourself, and flash it into a 2002-2005 car yourself, and see what happens.
So back to the thread.
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jaytech
First of all I didn't say I was sure it was you at Mynes. Second the statement about the GP software files didn't come from Jan or LB. There was a thread in which this was brought up and one of the above parties said that was then this is now.
Thanks for the info. Very informative.
First of all I didn't say I was sure it was you at Mynes. Second the statement about the GP software files didn't come from Jan or LB. There was a thread in which this was brought up and one of the above parties said that was then this is now.
Thanks for the info. Very informative.
So that is the reason why you shouldn't post things you are not sure about, right? And you are welcome!
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Well I guess it's my turn 1ezputz. So what your your saying is Jan is like Fireball ,Hubie and Mynes when they said they broke all the codes in the ECU when if fact they downloaded GP software in all the cars. Did you forget about that??????
I could be wrong about Mynes being involved. If I'm wrong on that one let me know. I'll remove that part.
I could be wrong about Mynes being involved. If I'm wrong on that one let me know. I'll remove that part.
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Hey LB, you said that someone at Magnaflow told Jan to pound sand, would you be so kind to provide their name and number,thanks ahead of time.
And a question, not to you LB but to everyone in general,Jans been following this thread from the start why has he not posted? If he was told that Magnaflow was not going to stand behind their product, as soon as he saw this thread why did he not post the persons name and number? My thinking is this, he went to Magnaflow with his header, they determined that it was not a cat issue but a flaw with his header and then yes told him to pound sand. Again thank you LB for the info.
And a question, not to you LB but to everyone in general,Jans been following this thread from the start why has he not posted? If he was told that Magnaflow was not going to stand behind their product, as soon as he saw this thread why did he not post the persons name and number? My thinking is this, he went to Magnaflow with his header, they determined that it was not a cat issue but a flaw with his header and then yes told him to pound sand. Again thank you LB for the info.
I have never had a problem with Magnaflow. The one muffler I had to return to Summit was replaced no questions asked, even with hangars and some tubing still left welded to the case.
I guess it might have something to do with where you purchase it.
I guess it might have something to do with where you purchase it.
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A few observations / comments...
- I have long felt, and many here agreed, that a customer should not take a personal grievance with a vendor and air it publicly. Should a private transaction go awry, resolution should be dealt with in the same way, privately. The only exceptions should be when there cannot be an amicable agreement or resolution to the issue and/ or the vendor chooses not to address the situation. We clearly have this scenario here, so this does seem worthy of public scrutiny...
- The OP is a disgruntled customer, not someone else with purely an agenda at-hand. Given the OT discussion, there has been little empathy for his situation, and with that, focus on fault and resolution...
- I recall one thread where I said something negative about this vendor. I called him a blatant liar. This was not a stretch as the evidence was clearly there; and it was disturbing. If I am to be deemed a "hater" because of this expression, so be it. I disagree, but I will not lose any sleep...
- Just because we have precedence of this vendor lying to the Community, that DOES NOT mean he always lies and that he had done so here. We know he's capable, but let's not jump to conclusions nor make any rash decisions. Maybe I should say something different as a "hater", but that is the objective, prudent approach to take...
Let's stay on topic folks and try to help this poster, and with that, the Community.
- I have long felt, and many here agreed, that a customer should not take a personal grievance with a vendor and air it publicly. Should a private transaction go awry, resolution should be dealt with in the same way, privately. The only exceptions should be when there cannot be an amicable agreement or resolution to the issue and/ or the vendor chooses not to address the situation. We clearly have this scenario here, so this does seem worthy of public scrutiny...
- The OP is a disgruntled customer, not someone else with purely an agenda at-hand. Given the OT discussion, there has been little empathy for his situation, and with that, focus on fault and resolution...
- I recall one thread where I said something negative about this vendor. I called him a blatant liar. This was not a stretch as the evidence was clearly there; and it was disturbing. If I am to be deemed a "hater" because of this expression, so be it. I disagree, but I will not lose any sleep...
- Just because we have precedence of this vendor lying to the Community, that DOES NOT mean he always lies and that he had done so here. We know he's capable, but let's not jump to conclusions nor make any rash decisions. Maybe I should say something different as a "hater", but that is the objective, prudent approach to take...
Let's stay on topic folks and try to help this poster, and with that, the Community.
i tried to get a resonator replaced in my exhaust and was basically slammed by magnaflow so f them.... u really really think magnaflow is above passing the buck or trying to get out of this...if u really think they are that infallible then i have some oceanfront property in arizona u might be interested in... in this economy i bet magnaflow is just trying to keep their heads above water...the automotive performance industry has taken severe hits because of this economic climate....is magnaflow gonna fess up and say they sold a botched product? its just like taking ur mini in for an issue only to have the service department try to say its ur fault and attempt to charge u
jan probably hasnt posted because childish antics played out by the mynestards has gotten really old...u have a problem take it up with jan... u want to put him on blast be prepared to get blasted back...go tell ur pimp mynes he can take a sepository and chill out with the flaming...
jan probably hasnt posted because childish antics played out by the mynestards has gotten really old...u have a problem take it up with jan... u want to put him on blast be prepared to get blasted back...go tell ur pimp mynes he can take a sepository and chill out with the flaming...
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jan probably hasnt posted because childish antics played out by the mynestards has gotten really old...u have a problem take it up with jan... u want to put him on blast be prepared to get blasted back...go tell ur pimp mynes he can take a sepository and chill out with the flaming...
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[quote=Partsman;2773118]Damn Jay...we need a "head hurts" smilie after reading your posts.
You obviously know what you're doing with the MINI ECU of any year, which is why the people who have Mynes tunes are happy and don't need retunes.[/quote]
Are you sure about that?
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Re: Special ABF + Mynes Tuning For SCMM ~ May 2nd « Reply #113 on: May 19, 2009, 11:12:37 PM »
Quote from: ebsharp on May 14, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
I got results from my second tune session.
I'm still having low end bumpiness (small flat spots from 2K to 3500).
so I'm talking with Hubie about getting the 550 injectors.
RESPONCE:
Uh oh...I think Whipper finally caught what Waldo has.
On MOAT, I was having a lot of issues at the low end rpms (which is needed on tight turns), Whipper kept hitting dead spots before 2K but after 2K it would be fine.
Driving Whipper today, I painfully experienced lag trying to shoot off the line...it's like driving a wet dog.
Gotta get back to Hubie and figure out what changed. Driving behind BRG MINIs is dangerous, they kick up a lot of stuff. I blame Britt.
You obviously know what you're doing with the MINI ECU of any year, which is why the people who have Mynes tunes are happy and don't need retunes.[/quote]
Are you sure about that?
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Re: Special ABF + Mynes Tuning For SCMM ~ May 2nd « Reply #113 on: May 19, 2009, 11:12:37 PM »Quote from: ebsharp on May 14, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
I got results from my second tune session.
I'm still having low end bumpiness (small flat spots from 2K to 3500).
so I'm talking with Hubie about getting the 550 injectors.
RESPONCE:
Uh oh...I think Whipper finally caught what Waldo has.
On MOAT, I was having a lot of issues at the low end rpms (which is needed on tight turns), Whipper kept hitting dead spots before 2K but after 2K it would be fine.
Driving Whipper today, I painfully experienced lag trying to shoot off the line...it's like driving a wet dog.
Gotta get back to Hubie and figure out what changed. Driving behind BRG MINIs is dangerous, they kick up a lot of stuff. I blame Britt.
Blatant subject change and still off-topic.. Back to your regularly scheduled program.
Damn Jay...we need a "head hurts" smilie after reading your posts.
You obviously know what you're doing with the MINI ECU of any year, which is why the people who have Mynes tunes are happy and don't need retunes.[/quote]
Are you sure about that?
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Re: Special ABF + Mynes Tuning For SCMM ~ May 2nd « Reply #113 on: May 19, 2009, 11:12:37 PM »
Quote from: ebsharp on May 14, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
I got results from my second tune session.
I'm still having low end bumpiness (small flat spots from 2K to 3500).
so I'm talking with Hubie about getting the 550 injectors.
RESPONCE:
Uh oh...I think Whipper finally caught what Waldo has.
On MOAT, I was having a lot of issues at the low end rpms (which is needed on tight turns), Whipper kept hitting dead spots before 2K but after 2K it would be fine.
Driving Whipper today, I painfully experienced lag trying to shoot off the line...it's like driving a wet dog.
Gotta get back to Hubie and figure out what changed. Driving behind BRG MINIs is dangerous, they kick up a lot of stuff. I blame Britt.
You obviously know what you're doing with the MINI ECU of any year, which is why the people who have Mynes tunes are happy and don't need retunes.[/quote]
Are you sure about that?
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Re: Special ABF + Mynes Tuning For SCMM ~ May 2nd « Reply #113 on: May 19, 2009, 11:12:37 PM »Quote from: ebsharp on May 14, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
I got results from my second tune session.
I'm still having low end bumpiness (small flat spots from 2K to 3500).
so I'm talking with Hubie about getting the 550 injectors.
RESPONCE:
Uh oh...I think Whipper finally caught what Waldo has.
On MOAT, I was having a lot of issues at the low end rpms (which is needed on tight turns), Whipper kept hitting dead spots before 2K but after 2K it would be fine.
Driving Whipper today, I painfully experienced lag trying to shoot off the line...it's like driving a wet dog.
Gotta get back to Hubie and figure out what changed. Driving behind BRG MINIs is dangerous, they kick up a lot of stuff. I blame Britt.
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Another tactic, off topic as usual. ez1putt, they are going to try to get this thread closed. I've explain the error for newbs49 about the GP software which was way off topic and hope people will now copy and paste this info to Microsoft Word or notepad, and onto their hard drives so I don't have to explain that again.
Now for you Longboard, please don't start a pissing match about tunes and such, you will end up losing that battle. But if you insist, let's start another thread and not mess up this thread which has nothing to do with re-tunes, and ECU related items. It's your choice, I have a lot of data and pictures to show members of NAM of MAPS incorrected adjusted from retunes from another tooner. I am willing to keep this on the side lines if you and your crew are willing to. It's a free country and freedom of speech right?
Now for you Longboard, please don't start a pissing match about tunes and such, you will end up losing that battle. But if you insist, let's start another thread and not mess up this thread which has nothing to do with re-tunes, and ECU related items. It's your choice, I have a lot of data and pictures to show members of NAM of MAPS incorrected adjusted from retunes from another tooner. I am willing to keep this on the side lines if you and your crew are willing to. It's a free country and freedom of speech right?
RESPONCE:
Uh oh...I think Whipper finally caught what Waldo has.
On MOAT, I was having a lot of issues at the low end rpms (which is needed on tight turns), Whipper kept hitting dead spots before 2K but after 2K it would be fine.
Driving Whipper today, I painfully experienced lag trying to shoot off the line...it's like driving a wet dog.
Gotta get back to Hubie and figure out what changed. Driving behind BRG MINIs is dangerous, they kick up a lot of stuff. I blame Britt.
Uh oh...I think Whipper finally caught what Waldo has.
On MOAT, I was having a lot of issues at the low end rpms (which is needed on tight turns), Whipper kept hitting dead spots before 2K but after 2K it would be fine.
Driving Whipper today, I painfully experienced lag trying to shoot off the line...it's like driving a wet dog.
Gotta get back to Hubie and figure out what changed. Driving behind BRG MINIs is dangerous, they kick up a lot of stuff. I blame Britt.
Well, we are working with the customers to get his car dialed in... But if we were to act like the Mini "God"... he would have have said one or all of the following:
- you have a weak motor, or
- you need my cam to get that dead spot out, or
- you need a header to flow better, or
- you need 'my' Aquamist system to make it work... it's only a thousand dollars
Now back to the Magnaflow... sorry ezputt, had to jump in just for a bit
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Thank you all for trying to keep this on topic, I really don't see what Mynes has to do with this. LB this is not the info that I was hoping that you would share with us, please help us understand.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...13-post60.html