Drivetrain RMW cam...
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From: Phoenix AZ
1. Idle needs to be raised to run the race cam, you know there's a cam there
2. Custom tuning NEEDS to be done with the race cam
3. tq difference is notable at 4400 on up
same basic tq curve but higher than street cam
4. hp was 11hp over the street cam
5. 440injectors minimum
the biggest thing is your idle being raised and more sluggish below 2k
this cam is made for the race track, as Blimey said in the post below there are compromises to all cams. I have special cams ground for the TVS etc where duration and lift are much different for the bore/stroke combinations.
We can do custom cams for any application. We have already done them for N/A applications , high compression and stroker. There is no one who has this much data on Mini Cooper cams. I have done 4 different cams for my turbo R53, 3 on NA , and 7 for supercharged R53s. Believe me when I tell you I have seen much money swirl the toilet bowl trying to find someone who knows how to grind great cams on the first time out. So far there is ONLY 1 guy who has done it.
What's even more interesting is one of our competitors is using one of the companies I have already tried
there have been comparisons of the street cam vs other models and there still is NOT one out there that will outperform it on the street. Beating it for 1500 rpms up top is NOT a faster cam. We can prove it by putting it on the dynapack and showing the full run and comparing the distance traveled in the same time frame. Lots of "slick" marketing out there. Without a precise tool like a dynapack to prove it you are just being mislead. The dynapack is the ONLY dyno that is capable of doing that test that I know of. Since there is no tire slippage as the hubs are bolted to the axles its the most ACCURATE testing there is.
I can get dyno sheets of a dyno day in NY that we did that showed 11hp and was backed up by our dyno here in Cali on another car we tested. Both were done over the street cam. I need to get the dyno sheets from the customer to post here. I'll work on that tomorrow.
and for the record: this "valve train" garbage being spouted around the internet is another myth
2. Custom tuning NEEDS to be done with the race cam
3. tq difference is notable at 4400 on up
same basic tq curve but higher than street cam4. hp was 11hp over the street cam
5. 440injectors minimum
the biggest thing is your idle being raised and more sluggish below 2k
this cam is made for the race track, as Blimey said in the post below there are compromises to all cams. I have special cams ground for the TVS etc where duration and lift are much different for the bore/stroke combinations.
We can do custom cams for any application. We have already done them for N/A applications , high compression and stroker. There is no one who has this much data on Mini Cooper cams. I have done 4 different cams for my turbo R53, 3 on NA , and 7 for supercharged R53s. Believe me when I tell you I have seen much money swirl the toilet bowl trying to find someone who knows how to grind great cams on the first time out. So far there is ONLY 1 guy who has done it.
What's even more interesting is one of our competitors is using one of the companies I have already triedthere have been comparisons of the street cam vs other models and there still is NOT one out there that will outperform it on the street. Beating it for 1500 rpms up top is NOT a faster cam. We can prove it by putting it on the dynapack and showing the full run and comparing the distance traveled in the same time frame. Lots of "slick" marketing out there. Without a precise tool like a dynapack to prove it you are just being mislead. The dynapack is the ONLY dyno that is capable of doing that test that I know of. Since there is no tire slippage as the hubs are bolted to the axles its the most ACCURATE testing there is.
I can get dyno sheets of a dyno day in NY that we did that showed 11hp and was backed up by our dyno here in Cali on another car we tested. Both were done over the street cam. I need to get the dyno sheets from the customer to post here. I'll work on that tomorrow.
and for the record: this "valve train" garbage being spouted around the internet is another myth
maybe you should read what is being said around the net... then get back with me
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From: Phoenix AZ
Maybe it's this behavior that adds to it
ok, we got the data back faster from the customer... glad he is on the ball
as you can see the car picked up 11whp over the exact same combo
even with temp clipping on the dyno it pulled to a higher rpm than the street cam did under similar circumstances
as you can see the car picked up 11whp over the exact same combo
even with temp clipping on the dyno it pulled to a higher rpm than the street cam did under similar circumstances
if you want to learn the truth about cams keep asking questions, if you want to go back and forth on a forum about your thoughts on me... move on as I won't respond to you
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. Why don't you just take what you need from the info presented and make your own mind up. You don't have to analyze every word of everyones statement and then comment on it.
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How would you like to test on the JCW? just tune?
I want to install on a stock JCW head, then tune it to see the differences. I have multiple cars that are just stock JCWs to compare to. I will also tune it on the stock cam to compare that also
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I have the software back from Italy.......... hope to have it tested later today
and will post the results to let you know if the software transferred correctly
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From: Los Angeles
Hey Paul, sadly though look at the deltas at us "low RPM" automatic guys... there looks to be nary a difference at 6700-6800... the big improvements seem to be up high, where our slushboxes won't let us roam.
Oh well... that is... unless someone figures out a way to get into the ECU/TCU, and besides you and me, I'm not sure there are many other potential customers out there who'd pay for that R&D. hhahaha
Doh. Remote tune needed. I thought you meant this new cam. oooops!!!
Oh well... that is... unless someone figures out a way to get into the ECU/TCU, and besides you and me, I'm not sure there are many other potential customers out there who'd pay for that R&D. hhahaha
Doh. Remote tune needed. I thought you meant this new cam. oooops!!!
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From: too far from Europe!
Hey Paul, sadly though look at the deltas at us "low RPM" automatic guys... there looks to be nary a difference at 6700-6800... the big improvements seem to be up high, where our slushboxes won't let us roam.
Oh well... that is... unless someone figures out a way to get into the ECU/TCU, and besides you and me, I'm not sure there are many other potential customers out there who'd pay for that R&D. hhahaha
Doh. Remote tune needed. I thought you meant this new cam. oooops!!!
Oh well... that is... unless someone figures out a way to get into the ECU/TCU, and besides you and me, I'm not sure there are many other potential customers out there who'd pay for that R&D. hhahaha
Doh. Remote tune needed. I thought you meant this new cam. oooops!!!
I'm right there with ya!The only thing keeping me from fully pursuing the very thing you speak of is....a little thing called a 135i.Which I will have Jan make a beastie,! That is... if the banks still have money to loan in the coming year!
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like track cam is for more serious modders with deeper pockets (id have to buy injectors,the cam itself, and a tune). I will continue with my plans on buying your original cam...thanks agian.
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From: Bellingham, WA
I'm curious to know, what is the maximum recomended or safe engine speed for an MCS with the Newman/RMW cam? Maybe the answer is somewhere here on this thread but I didn't see it. I have the newman cam, 550cc injectors, 15% pulley, headers, DDM CAI, exhaust, colder plugs and a mynes tune. The car seems to pull very hard to about 7,200 rpm. Am I pushing the engine too much? I forgot to mention I have stock head. Thanks for your diverse replies!
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From: Evesham, Worcestershire, England
I'm curious to know, what is the maximum recomended or safe engine speed for an MCS with the Newman/RMW cam? Maybe the answer is somewhere here on this thread but I didn't see it. I have the newman cam, 550cc injectors, 15% pulley, headers, DDM CAI, exhaust, colder plugs and a mynes tune. The car seems to pull very hard to about 7,200 rpm. Am I pushing the engine too much? I forgot to mention I have stock head. Thanks for your diverse replies!
Be interested to see what difference the race cam makes over the newman on a stock/jcw head. I am only every under 3500rpm when cruising, so loosing a bit of that bottom end wouldnt bother me, or having a higher idle.
I'm curious to know, what is the maximum recomended or safe engine speed for an MCS with the Newman/RMW cam? Maybe the answer is somewhere here on this thread but I didn't see it. I have the newman cam, 550cc injectors, 15% pulley, headers, DDM CAI, exhaust, colder plugs and a mynes tune. The car seems to pull very hard to about 7,200 rpm. Am I pushing the engine too much? I forgot to mention I have stock head. Thanks for your diverse replies!
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From: Phoenix AZ
You don't have to analyze every word of everyones statement and then comment on it
isnt that exactly what you just did?
I only commented to the fact that all this slandering from vendor to vendor is total BS. it's a bunch of "grown men" slandering each other every time they get on here and a lot of us neutral party people are getting sick of it and loosing confidence in both vendors because of it.
bottom line is this. If you have a better product then you shouldnt have to bad mouth the "other guy". After all the results will speak for themselves.
Nuff said, putting away my soap box for the evening
