Perhaps that explains your experience. I have the RMW cam/header combo, and on my un-tuned it pulls consistently to redline, though, in it's current tune, I find it better to shift around 6200 to get back into the real meat of the cam. I don't know if that makes the car accelerate any quicker, but seat of the pants I get more of a shove shifting at that earlier point.

 

You are not the only one making these kinds of "claims" about the Newman cam. People are saying they are hard on the valve train. We have spun this cam to 8k for almost 2yrs without 1 single failure.

the problem is you are comparing apples to oranges and people read this and think it's valid. A tuned car will always pull harder to redline making it appear the non tuned car has fallen off.

The Newman cam was designed for operating in the ranges that MOST people drive, not some cam designed for 6k to 8k. How many people are driving here the entire time? Outside of Grand Am, I doubt very few

We have shown on properly designed system that even the Newman cam will make power to 8k. We have designed a new cam that will make almost the same torque as the Newman down low but from 4600rpms on it really just pulls away. This was a cam designed for people who race their cars.

 

This person is planning on a getting a tune. There is no doubt that it will help his car. I liked the low mid-range of the Newman cam but like I said it didnt have too much after 6k. I am more than please with my cam and I am sure he will be more than pleased with his after a good tune

It is a shame people cannot simply post their experiences with a product without the fanboys coming out of the wood work to comment and get butt hurt. I by no means mean you Davis. I think having a forum where people cannot post their TRUE and honest thoughts on a product they spent their money on without getting slammed by fanboys is a lame deal. Period. I mean ANY fanboys.

 

[quote=Revolution Mini Works;2757567]You are not the only one making these kinds of "claims" about the Newman cam. People are saying they are hard on the valve train. We have spun this cam to 8k for almost 2yrs without 1 single failure.

the problem is you are comparing apples to oranges and people read this and think it's valid. A tuned car will always pull harder to redline making it appear the non tuned car has fallen off.
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Jan, like I said it was MY observation and I know what I felt. It was an untuned car. I find my observation to be as valid as anyone elses. I am sure after his tune it will pull to 8k or whatever. I dont have a clue as to what you are talking about other peoples "claims" are and dont care really. I am not selling the Cam. Just posting MY experience

This is not really a big deal.

Carry on

 

[quote=mdbsat;2757579]it's not that your seat of the pants is NOT valid, it's the fact you are comparing apples to oranges. People don't always have the best reading comprehension on the board
thus the confusion and the resulting internet myths that soon follow

 

[quote=Revolution Mini Works;2757583]Fair enough.

 

Sounds cool, any details on this cam? Feel free to PM me. It may be more cam than I need for a JCW head, but you never know.

 

PM sent

 

I have the new RMW track cam in my car now. If anyone is looking for a cam that comes on from 4grand up this is the one. I had the first design cam in my car before on a JCW head and it pulled to 7400 without a problem. The track cam is just more of a beast from 4grand up. I will know more about this cam when I go to Watkins Glen this weekend as how it performs on the track.

 

can't wait to hear about the results..... after seeing the dyno
I can imagine what it will do considering how fast you went with the other setup

 

Eagerly awaiting your times and details.

 

Jan, I may go to the dyno this weekend and I will see the gain

 

I know one thing for sure. I'll be learning all new braking points again. I just hope the rain stays away.

 

That it would for sure...

My appologies, I was not aware your car was not stock... Which threw me since you were asking if it's ok to run the cam in a stock motor? Which you dont have apparently... So with your head and larger injectors, the cam will DEFINETLY come alive!!! DO-EET

And let us know how the dyno goes...

 

All I know is that the "standard" Newman cam always suprises me with the forced upshifts on my automatic tranny... Falling off around 6700? Not likely.

Since the parade car rarely ever sees under 4k... I'd love to bump it up a bit more.

 

Thanks Haagard..thats all I needed to know...

 

So Jan, please give us a quick run down of the differences between the track and street cams. You mentioned that the track cam starts to pull at a lower rpm, I think I saw 4.6K, and then someone reported better from 4K.

Anything else you can share with us to help differentiate the two?
-Peak HP and torque?
-Shape of the curve?
-injector recommendations?
-idle/starting?
-etc.

BTW, I do have the RMW street cam installed and with a tune it pulls pretty damn good up to 8K.

 

To add one more question to that.... unless budget is a concern, why would a street driver not want this "race" cam? Is anything sacrificed?

 

I would assume it's a need vs want scenario. Do you need fully adjustable race coilovers...or do you want them?

 

I think you missed Mushadd's intentions with that question. The coilover analogy isn't really accurate. I get what he's asking.....Jan and newbs was saying that it makes the same power down low as the original/Newmans cam but with even more power after 4600 or 4000 so Mushadd's question and mine as well is if it makes the same as before but even more up top why not just get the race cam....unless budget is a reason. I dont think this is the same as your coilover analogy of need vs. want. Its basically just a why not question.

 

In other words the new RMW track cam is capable of almost matching the Newman cam in torque in lower RPM but pulls away after 4K or to say pulls harder than the Newman cam.

If that's the case I wonder how much the RMW Track cam is going for? What the difference between the track cam and the race cam?

 

I'm ignorant of the specifics of the RMW track cam - and am a happy owner of the Newman/RMW cam. But y'all study up on cams if you haven't already... there's no such thing as a compromise-free cam (at least on a car without VTEC)... so if you improve high-end performance at the level that's being described, then you're gonna start getting undesirable (for the street) behavior at the low end (e.g. rough idle / lope, inconsistent starting, etc.). Unless Jan has some magic juju I haven't seen yet.

 

1. Idle needs to be raised to run the race cam, you know there's a cam there
2. Custom tuning NEEDS to be done with the race cam
3. tq difference is notable at 4400 on up same basic tq curve but higher than street cam
4. hp was 11hp over the street cam
5. 440injectors minimum


the biggest thing is your idle being raised and more sluggish below 2k
this cam is made for the race track, as Blimey said in the post below there are compromises to all cams. I have special cams ground for the TVS etc where duration and lift are much different for the bore/stroke combinations.
We can do custom cams for any application. We have already done them for N/A applications , high compression and stroker. There is no one who has this much data on Mini Cooper cams. I have done 4 different cams for my turbo R53, 3 on NA , and 7 for supercharged R53s. Believe me when I tell you I have seen much money swirl the toilet bowl trying to find someone who knows how to grind great cams on the first time out. So far there is ONLY 1 guy who has done it. What's even more interesting is one of our competitors is using one of the companies I have already tried

there have been comparisons of the street cam vs other models and there still is NOT one out there that will outperform it on the street. Beating it for 1500 rpms up top is NOT a faster cam. We can prove it by putting it on the dynapack and showing the full run and comparing the distance traveled in the same time frame. Lots of "slick" marketing out there. Without a precise tool like a dynapack to prove it you are just being mislead. The dynapack is the ONLY dyno that is capable of doing that test that I know of. Since there is no tire slippage as the hubs are bolted to the axles its the most ACCURATE testing there is.

I can get dyno sheets of a dyno day in NY that we did that showed 11hp and was backed up by our dyno here in Cali on another car we tested. Both were done over the street cam. I need to get the dyno sheets from the customer to post here. I'll work on that tomorrow.

and for the record: this "valve train" garbage being spouted around the internet is another myth

 

So this cam is 11hp over the street cam? So you are seeing 21-22hp gains from the cam alone? WOW. That is impressive.

 

all of the cars that have this cam currently have our BVH and street cam vs race cam
I plan on testing one here on a JCW head to get a comparison
then you can have some more data on what it does with a stock head