Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 11:26 AM
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MC R50...

I have an R50 mini and i know a lot of people think there is no point to modding it but i wana get an Alta Turbo kit, along with the Voltage hoodscoop (because i put a MCS hood on my MCr50 will post pics..) also i wana put a new exahst with a cat back..

There arent many websites for r50 upgrades but i was thinking since it pretty much is the same shape wouldent everything fit in my R50 even though peoples websites say MCS's r56's and what not?? Any intake is greatly appreciate.

Oh and please post pics if you have a Modded r50!!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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I love my AFE intake. check out my gallery. I also made a thread on how to install it. Search for "How to Instal AFE CAI". Any exhaust will be good. I want a Megan personally.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 12:35 PM
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You would need an entire engine rebuild to take a turbo. Then even if you accomplish that, your midlands transmission will explode.

Engine performance parts for the S will not work on the MC. The layout of the intake tract is completely different.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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I think you should read this and contact the appropriate people( Tuls and MEGAmini/DR FUH)

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...turbo-kit.html

Have Fun
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nabeshin
You would need an entire engine rebuild to take a turbo. Then even if you accomplish that, your midlands transmission will explode.

Engine performance parts for the S will not work on the MC. The layout of the intake tract is completely different.
Yep.

I had looked into to doing a turbo upgrade on my R50 shortly after I bought it. IMO, it's not worth money, especially if you have someone else do the work. For the price you'll pay modding the engine internals and tossing the turbo on, you might as well trade your car in for an MCS. And like Nabeshin said, that midlands tranny barely holds with the N/A engine. I doubt it would do well with a turbo stacked on it, so that would need to be replaced, too.

The only other thing I can think of is to see if you can find a trashed R53 MCS with a good working motor and tranny at a salvage yard and toss it in your car. You may also look at importing one if you have trouble finding one states-side. I'm not sure of the costs of doing so for engines from Euro salvage yards, but I know it's not a terrible price for the Rice kids and their JDM engines/trannies. The complete engine swap would probably be easier on labor costs as well.

As far as mods to the stock engine... I spoke with Peter at M7 about this a couple years ago. His advice was to play with what I had to work with. Beef up the suspension, get a CAI and exhaust for sound, and start spanking everybody in the twisties.

I wish you luck with whatever you decide!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AggieMini11
I want a Megan personally.
Yes you do I have one on my r50 and it made a HUGE difference. And it sounds like a GP. Nice growl and lots of pops.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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moved to Drive-train section for better input
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mitch171
Yes you do I have one on my r50 and it made a HUGE difference. And it sounds like a GP. Nice growl and lots of pops.
+2

Also agree fully with Moxie on the recommended modding approach. It's a long, hard road if you're considering radical engine and drive train performance improvements. You'd be better off starting over with an end-to-end design meant to handle the extra power in the first place (i.e., R53) unless you're really into starting an exploratory engineering project.

I've concentrated my efforts and $$ on aesthetics and handling and have pretty much left the powerplant alone (less my aFe and Megan). I still have crazy fun in the twisties.

Sometimes, like when a turbo Jetta passes me on a steep mountain climb, I admit I yearn for some extra power but these instances are few and far between. I just wait until the straight part of the road ends before I allow myself the pleasure of showing off a bit.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Thanks all very interesting responses.. The thing is i would love (and i cant emphasize love enough ) to have a MCS manual but the thing is my father wont let me because he doesent know how to drive manual.

No i was thinking of finding a MCS for a good price to trade in because my MC is 2004, with 16kmiles clean tittle!!!! and i bought it for 13.5 before tax.

Oh and here are pictures of my MC to MCS conversion HOOD (pictures where taken with shity camera on my phone)
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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WMM/DDM CAI + Megan Cat-back = Awesomeness

 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 04:16 PM
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I dont understand some people's thinking. I have a Cooper. If I wanted to fully build the motor to put a turbo on it...thats about 10K-20K. Now, everyone is like...."Trade it in for an S". That means I will take on 4 years more of payments.....AND STILL HAVE TO BUILD THE MOTOR AND PUT A TURBO ON IT FOR 10K-20K!!!!!!!!!!! Does that seem logical? No. Not in this guy's brain. The ONLY added expense was doing a 6 speed swap and that only cost me 1500. That leaves me for any incidentals (1500) that would have totalled the 3K extra in the initial build from a Cooper to a MCS. Make sense?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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I thank you UKSUV thats my logic of thinking. But then again the only reason i would trade it in would be for a manual!!



Originally Posted by UKSUV
I dont understand some people's thinking. I have a Cooper. If I wanted to fully build the motor to put a turbo on it...thats about 10K-20K. Now, everyone is like...."Trade it in for an S". That means I will take on 4 years more of payments.....AND STILL HAVE TO BUILD THE MOTOR AND PUT A TURBO ON IT FOR 10K-20K!!!!!!!!!!! Does that seem logical? No. Not in this guy's brain. The ONLY added expense was doing a 6 speed swap and that only cost me 1500. That leaves me for any incidentals (1500) that would have totalled the 3K extra in the initial build from a Cooper to a MCS. Make sense?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by UKSUV
I dont understand some people's thinking. I have a Cooper. If I wanted to fully build the motor to put a turbo on it...thats about 10K-20K. Now, everyone is like...."Trade it in for an S". That means I will take on 4 years more of payments.....AND STILL HAVE TO BUILD THE MOTOR AND PUT A TURBO ON IT FOR 10K-20K!!!!!!!!!!! Does that seem logical? No. Not in this guy's brain. The ONLY added expense was doing a 6 speed swap and that only cost me 1500. That leaves me for any incidentals (1500) that would have totalled the 3K extra in the initial build from a Cooper to a MCS. Make sense?
Why do STILL have to "build" the motor? The motor is already built with a lower compression ratio and the right internals to take a forced air induction system. All you need to do at that point is add some bolt ons to give yourself a few ponies.

If you're building a drag car, then okay... there's not really a whole lot of difference between having to bullet proof your MC motor and having to bullet proof an MCS motor, but if you're looking for 60 more ponies or so, and it's going to cost you $10k - $20k then that's the cost of an MCS. Heck, for that, you might as well buy a used MCS and keep the MC for backup.

I'm not following your logic on this.

Edit: Okay, I read the post a couple more times and assume that your talking about sticking a turbo on an MCS motor. In that case, I can see what you mean. But still... $10k - $20k is the price of another car. Might as well save up and get an R56 MCS.

Dimi, if you're only wanting another 50-60hp, then - other than efficiency logistics - you'll achieve the same goal any way you go. Spend $10k+ on a bulletproof motor and turbo for your MC, an MCS engine/tranny, or a used MCS.
 

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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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Well, if you are not going ***** to the wall you can go turbo only on an MCS without having to build up the motor. That said more power to him if he wants to turbo an R50. The Honda and Toyota guys have been turbocharging cars that weren't meant for it for ages, nothing new going on here.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Some Guy
The Honda and Toyota guys have been turbocharging cars that weren't meant for it for ages, nothing new going on here.
That's very true, but they also either blow more motors or only run 4 or 5psi.
 
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