To address some of the reasons of why I started this thread , then see post below. I know the poster is not alone here.


Again, as the OP of this thread I'd also like to see it stay civil and not go too off topic. Those of you that feel that it's out of line are without a doubt free to post hear and say so. I do hope though that personal arguments won't dilute this thread from the original questions. I have no arguments with those that feel that RMW is the best vendor out there, but as long as it's understood that it's your "personal" opinion.

Nate, I back no one else's cam. I have no one that I know pushing any cam at all. Has nothing to do with what you claim. So far it's really you that is taking this thread off topic more then anyone else here.

Thanks

 

It's not slander. I purchased the RMW cam because I was directly told by Jan on the phone while giving my billing information that he'd custom developed this cam & was able to design this cam as the perfect fit for his customer's needs. (If that's true then mad props for all the work.) Fast-forward & it sounds like if the Newman tie is true, then I was clearly lied to & the cam was blatantly misrepresented. Even if it was stated "hey, this is the shizznit & I've specially imported the cam..." I would've still purchased it at that time.

I don't want my money back, but I would like the air cleared. In the interest of proper representation & honesty amongst the MINI community isn't that fair? Jan? Oh, btw - never received a cam card with the RMW cam and isn't it normal to receive a copy of the card?

Note: Likewise, I don't back anyone's cam & the RMW cam is the only cam I've ever purchased.

 

OK, I have not read through all of this, but I did skim it.

So why has Jan not made an input on this topic?

 

I wasn't saying there was slander and sorry if you thought I was referring to your post because it was directed at the first post in this thread

 

I'm sure that if someone is interested in buying one of his cams and calls him with questions about it, he will answer it.

 

Well, I figured that...I have talked to Jan many times and have worked with him before...

But, if you are telling one over the phone and it is open info...why not just place it here?

I like Jan and his products...
I like how he has been completely up front with the NAM community thus far and just want him to continue to do so...

No harm no foul...

I did not mean to start anything with my first statement...

 

I totally agree..been in contact with Jan via email and He is definitely one who really cares for potential customers to get the best products out there for the lil MINI.

I have no doubt in my mind that RMW is one of the best vendors out there, however so are many others. Anyways, cant wait for my Shorty headers and remote tune. Jan, you know where I am. ; )

 

I can see why you would think this...because one of Greg's sponsors is M7 and we all know about the love between RMW and M7, so there must be an agenda.

It couldn't have anything to do with the possible misrepresentation of the RMW camshaft, now could it?

This is not that difficult to comprehend...
1)apparently Jan has stated that the cam is custom ground just for him and markets as such
2)apparently people from Newman have said and posted(elsewhere) that the RMW cam is no different than the one they have been selling over there
3)there lies the confusion
4)Greg asks for some clarification without accusation, bashing, or disrespect to RMW

How is this different from ANYONE else on this board asking the same types of questions to ANY other vendor on here?

The answer: It's not...but because of the association between Greg and M7 there must be an agenda. You guys make it more complicated than it is.

 

You've been around here for awhile . It is what it is .

 

Well since you quoted me, "keep a handle on this kind of stuff?" I assume you are talking to me. And then you proceed to say:

"that you (and the the collective you not aimed at one in particular)".

Dude you have accused me before, publicly I might add, of being a M7 fanboy, or did you forget? I didn't. All I ask is, to keep the playing field level for ALL vendors.

 

I'd like to see that too...but it won't happen because he is biased towards RMW.
Which, in my opinion, is rather odd...that we have a moderator on here that only "looks out" for one certain vendor and edits accordingly.

 

Guys, ... PLEASE don't go off topic. Feel free to start a thread about those issues, but if you do it here then it just sends this thread into a mess and the topic here get's lost.

Thanks.

 

i find your statement strangely ironical

 

Sorry onasled But this kinda set me off

 

I love how you act like you didn't have any idea of what your original thread was going to start .Yes, lets please keep this on topic for Onasled .

Longboard

 

I still find this topic a little crazy..

Newman cam or RMW grind, the fact remains that Jan brought it to this community. 1320 didn't, Onasled didn't... No one else but Jan did. That alone is worth something, I for one will gladley pay Jan for that service.

Do you guys really expect a vendor to make public their sources and the possibility of getting a product somewhere else?

Sheesh...

 

just observing the conversation .. but thought I'd add a bit..

my impressions that the RMW cam is custom came from another thread on NAM:

But that doesn't actually contradict that it could be the same cam as the Newman. He's put in R&D.. tried some different stuff, and decided that the Newman was the best cam to go with? *shrug*

 

wow, this is (another) fun thread. I recall seeing a package arrive for Jan when we were at Helix this time last year, from the UK, with cams inside. And all this time people thought he was making them with a hammer and chisel in his living room?

 

Sorry but I could of told Jan I use shreck cams and he wouldn't know any different

 

Yeah this all seems pretty harmless. I don't expect RMW to be actually machining their own cams or their head. I think he's more than proved himself when it comes to MINIs as the go to guy for MINI performance.

 

"It's a ambush".....John Wayne.

Greg's question is valid. The way that it was asked, maybe not......

 

what are you saying Paul?

 

Well said Nate. I've been saying this same thing for some time now. Build yourself up rather than knocking others down. Unfortunately it's happening on all sides which isn't beneficial to anybody.

At the same time, for a company that has prided itself as a company that is willing to question and challenge other vendors' claims or their validity, it can only be expected that they would be answering the same questions themselves.

It seems like a pretty harmless answer to give just to clear things up...a MINI vendor offering parts manufactured by a company with better manufacturing capabilities is nothing new here. Whether or not it's a custom grind or not is a valid question.

 

I could of kept it to myself, but I'm not like that If I test something I'll share it with the community and promote it the best way I can.

I want everyone to have a share off it, not for profit, but thats always nice but so we can beat the other guy in the other lane so they go WTF

But I'm looking forward to the back to back delta off the new RMW cam v the old RMW cam, at least with the dynapack its at a nice height to work on.

 

Ok, since you asked me to play fair for ALL vendors this is what I needed to do.

1. Place Paul Webster on Moderated posting due to a post that has been removed where he offered to sell product without a vendor agreement in place on NAM

2. Remove that post

3. Inform Paul as to why

I was just going to let it go, but since you asked...