I Do See...
I just want the best for my Mini..be it RMW, GTT, Alta, M7, Cosworth, etc
These forums are just forums are just for research purposes..

 

choose your chef, choose your restaurant, place your order
then let him worry about the ingredients...
all the best chefs get their stuff from the same suppliers anyway..........

 

until something better comes along...................

Though it was our customers who named it the 1320 cam, its quiet useful because you can change the spec or manufacturer at will, if you have R&D and found something better.

 

There are lots of different parts out there that are sold by several vendors. It would be ridiculous to think that all parts sold by a vendor were made by them even if labeled with their name. To me the biggest point is the R&D time spent to be sure that a specific part works along with the rest of the package to get true gains in driveability, HP and torque. From my perspective Jan stands head and shoulders above the rest in trying to accomplish this feat. R&D is very time consuming and expensive. I feel good that there is someone out there doing their do diligence to bring a complete package together no matter who actually machined the part. IMHO they are more than worthy of putting their label on it.
Steve

 

Agree!

If the cam is manufactured by Newman for RMW and sold as RMW, Jan has and does provide the technical support, warranty and the cost of marketing and research cost. Not heard of one RMW cam that Jan didn't stand behind and do everything possible to make it work for the customer. Fact remains that it works as advertised and so far Jan is the only one who can tune to get the max out of it.....

 

I think you missed the point. Newman don't make them for Jan!

They make them for everyone... You can go to Newman and buy the same cam for cheaper.

 

Buy it from Newman but don't call Jan if somethings not working right, call Newman. When you have something manufactured and put your name on it there is more cost and liability than just a buy and resale deal... You have to ask yourself; Is there added value? That's my point.

 

Several post in defense of RMW selling the Newman cam under the RMW name. I think you are defending that fact for no reason. My OP was not to state that it was. It was just to clear up "whether" RMW was actually doing so. That's all.
It had been denied several times by RMW that RMW was reselling the standard off the shelf Newman Cam. But it had come up by word of Newman that they were one in the same.
That's all. Absolutely no issue with RMW reselling the Newman Cam, but it was insinuated by RMW that this was a special grind made just for RMW and he had "proprietary rights" of this cam. When facts seem to point that he does not and that he is just one of the many Newman Cam retailers. By the way, there are many manufacturers that would never let you put your "name" on their product pretending it's your own. Newman may have issue with this for all we know. ??
Simple enough. Questions were for Jan, so maybe he himself can answer it. Whether the cam works or not was never the issue here.

 

No because the product is the same regardless.

 

Wrong - the added value of a him being tuner who can extract power from the cam, plus Jan is in the US, plus any warranty he offers is value added. A product does not prosper on product alone. By the same token our MINI's are cars and so are Kia's - does that mean we do not place a value on the customization that MINI affords us when ordering or how the dealer treats us????

 

So you are paying extra for the service that's fine.

But what about the people that don't require / want the service? They see it as I do. The product is the same regardless and if you can get the same product cheaper happy days

 

Wolf', I respect how you feel on this. No one can take away where 'you' feel security. No problem.
Couple of things though. Not sure RMW would reject tuning your car if you bought Cam from someone else as I don't think he has ever done so. Also, there are quite a few tuners who can work with any cam.
But again, good you feel strongly about your choices. Can't take that away from you.

Sorry, added this; Wolf', I see you have a cam and head on order from RMW. If you understood that in fact the cam was 'not' a special RMW grind to optimize the RMW head, then cool. You have NO reason to have any concern. If in fact you may have thought it was, then again, if that's OK with you (that it seems it's not a custom cam), then I also respect that as it's "your" personal situation. But, it's one of the reasons I think it should be made clear.

 

Greg, why do you even care?

You don't use Jans' products. This is merely yet another personal beef between various factions on NAM.

Y'all just keep trying to knock each other down a peg. Instead of celebrating success y'all throw pitches at the head to brush back the batter.

It's not just a NAM issue either, it seems to part of the American psyche now. Oh my he gained something, lets not try and make ourselves better but lets knock him off his perch.

Some much for those New England values you go on about now and again.

 

Understood - I do not say you are wrong for wanting to know if RMW is just reselling the Newman cams - it is your perogative to ask. In the end everyone has an opinion. All I want is my cam and header so I can have more fun.

 

So basically you have come on here with a question directed to Jan that insinuates that he has been misleading and overcharging for his cam. If you wanted an answer then why didn't you just PM him? Also I've seen a couple of people on here already say that they would buy the Newman cam instead, even though you have not shown that they are one-in-the-same. If they are indeed the same, then this cam was a bargain until the recent plunge in the value of the British Pound. So like i said before, I don't really see the issue here as many companies use parts manufactured by other companies and put their name on them including your big sponsor. If you have an issue with this, then you should have an issue with them.

 

We have this in the UK. It's called a pub fight!

 

Not accurate.
Here's the chronology:
1) installed pulley, intake, one ball. Car ran like others with same mods - nice power increase, but not as smooth as stock
2) installed MTH tune - noticeable improvement in smooth delivery of power across RPMs
3) added JCW injectors and RMW tune - significantly increased power across entire RPM band over MTH - and still smooth delivery of power. Jan knew that I was planning to add the cam, and he tuned it a bit rich to allow for that.
4) added cam - retained all good stuff, and added significantly more midrange torque - NO issues
5) a couple months later, added header. Significantly increased power from about 4000 rpm upward. And sounds fantastic.
6) a few months later, developed yoyo at WOT below 4200rpm
7) installed DT BPV
8) yoyo gone, but retained flat spot below 4200 rpm at WOT - which is where it is now

I believe this is likely a case of needing a retune due mostly to the header - but I had no similar issues with just the cam.

And

 

Nate,
I hope that I have conducted myself respectfully, and tried to keep thread on topic. Have not said anything negative about any of the posters here unlike what you have just done with me.
Are you saying that you will close or delete this thread? On the basis of what? Me wanting to bring attention to to facts of my OP

 

Are you saying that you are now going to keep a handle on this kind of stuff? Better be both ways Might just want to copy your post here and be ready to paste it.

Like this:

____, why do you even care?

You don't use____ products. This is merely yet another personal beef between various factions on NAM.

 

+1. I had purchased a RMW cam for my old MINI because it was clearly represented/marketed as a RMW-developed custom-grind for the MCS & highly tunable. I've actually brought this question up before in the RMW cam thread (cordially I might add, ie. wasn't throwing rocks, just asking the question), but I was dismissed as having a "secret agenda" & that I was disgruntled (which I wasn't). So, yes - this is a valid question. I've asked before, but I'm still waiting for an answer.

 

Onasled...

Are you wondering if the Newman Cam and RMW cam are the same because you want one? Because you want to sell them? Because your out to prove a point? Because your the NAM avenger out to save us all?

Please... I appreciate you trying to save us all from ....well, I'm not sure. Buying a great product from a great vendor? Who cares where its made or who makes it, I know I don't. My experience with Jan and his products have been 100% positive. What his parts have done for my car are nothing short of impressive, extreme, exciting and perfect.

Do I think he ports his own heads? No.... Did I think he ground his own cam? No... Do I care if he buys something and resells it as his own? No...
Do you know why? I have zero doubt that Jan has researched the parts he uses and sells. I have zero doubt that Jan will stand behind the products he sells. I have Zero doubt that his parts make supreme power. I'm experiencing it first hand with the awesomeness that is my car every single day.

Onasled, you say you just wanted to know the truth? ....Make a phone call next time buddy. This all comes across as a pathetic attempt to slander the best vendor we have. You should to get out more

 

Paul, Sorry, as I stated earlier in this thread. I assume I misunderstood the post you made in your thread about this.

 

There is no way to keep a handle on this kind of stuff unless NAM went to a strict moderation of every post. It's just that every time someone shows a bit of success and its not in the same camp that you (and the the collective you not aimed at one in particular) it becomes time to knock them down. When Jan was the underdog the posts had a different tone, now that he's proven he can do something that has changed.

I'm saying we should not question things there is a way to go about it. The Spanish Inquisition method of presuming guilt with no way to prove innocence didn't cut it back in the Middle Ages and still doesn't.

We are not looking to close of lock this thread Greg. The change in posting style from helpful to accusatory is what has me wondering if your values have suddenly changed, hence my comment.

I'm not going to following this all day and getting swept up in all the banter. Attack and rip apart my posts as you will. My original question still stands...

Why do you care enough to bring this up at this time Greg?

 

Hehehe...Its getting pretty heated in here....

Anyways, from all this I agree totally with Intense....Im actually gonna order the shorty headers from Jan reaaaally soon and of cos the cam from Newman (Maybe I know something that you guys dont? - Or maybe Newman cams are a tad cheaper then Jan's)

As Long as I enjoy what the products have to show..then I'll be a happy MCS owner....Keep it up guys..all this info is really helping a newbie like moi..

 

You don't need to slander somebody to do harm, just create some doubt. I really don't understand these vendor attacks. We have parts from RMW, M7, Alta, and others on the car and like them all. There is an agenda here.