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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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At the dyno today...





The blue pull was with a heat soaked IC. The red line was a pull with a fan blowing directly into the IC. Mods are in my sig, there's no tune on the miniceptor, so it's still the stock map. Oh, I do have a KN panel filter in the stock airbox.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 09:53 PM
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looks about like my first one
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 03:53 AM
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You need ECU tune
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 06:24 AM
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yeah if you have access to rmw id use them. but if not id go with alta's unichip i gain 14 whp with it
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 06:37 AM
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Two words:.......Jan Brueggemann(RMW).I believe he has a Charlotte tune coming up.-Ya better climb on board whilst he's in yer region.Best $350 spent!Look in Drivetrain/mods/1st gen
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 06:50 AM
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Does that look low to anybody else or is it just me?
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 07:19 AM
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I also have an 04. Jan brought the timing to near stock level (mine was too high) and I pulled 185 whp then tuned to 194 whp / 6950? rpm. I have 15% pulley, JCW 380 cc injectors, ultrik CAI, 1-ball exhaust (that was leaking! ) & JCW plugs. Jan has done wonders and I strongly suggest that you take that RMW dyno-tune.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Dyno Dynamics dynos always read lower than anything else. I bet on a dynojet he'd be 15-20hp higher out of the box.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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which one is more realistic? this one or the dynojet dynos?
a 20hp difference all over the curve is too much
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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looks quite a bit low to me
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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Dyno Dynamics dynos are notoriously low guys. That's 175+ on any other dyno.

DynaPac's will read 9-11% lower than BHP.
DynoJet's are generally the same, sometimes more, sometimes less depending on config
Dyno Dynamics are generally 15-20% lower than BHP.

So... 190ish BHP, not bad, 20-30 hp more than stock!
 

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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 10:17 PM
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The problem with dynojets' numbers stems from their origin in motorcycle dynamometers - Dynojet will admit this freely (and did so in a couple magazine articles). Basically, they couldn't measure the acceleration of a drum and use the appropriate calculations to extrapolate wheel hp on a known power output on a very specific bike (1985 Yahama V-Max). Instead, they applied a much more basic formula to the results so that their measurement would be correct for the V-max bike.

Originally Posted by Hot Rod Magazine
Dynojet's final number-fudge was arbitrarily based on a number from the most powerful road-going motorcycle of the time, the '85 1,200cc Yamaha VMax. The VMax had 145 advertised factory horsepower, which was far above the raw 90hp number spit out by the formula. Meanwhile, existing aftermarket torque-cell engine dynamometers delivered numbers that clustered around 120. Always a pragmatist, Dobeck finally ordered his Chief Engineer to doctor the math so that the Dynojet 100 measured 120 hp for a stock VMax. And that was that: For once and forever, the power of everything else in the world would be relative to the '85 Yamaha VMax and a fudged imaginary number.
That's right - The dynojet is calibrated to a 23-year-old carbureted motorcycle. Hence why the chassis dyno results can very so much between dynos and why the most important use of a dyno is to measure change rather than the value you obtain.

Also note that altitude correction factors are not relevant to turbocharged vehicles but are relevant to naturally aspirated cars or those with fixed displacement superchargers. Dynos are great tools but sometimes they make me
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 11:21 PM
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I would also check for belt slippage. what belt are you using, and how many miles are on it?
 
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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I would also check for belt slippage. what belt are you using, and how many miles are on it?
Belt slip would show on the dyno graph..
 
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Old Jun 25, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Agreed. The plot looks good. The low numbers are due to the Dyno Dynamics dynamometer. No, really!
 
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Old Jun 25, 2008 | 10:30 PM
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Yes, dyno dynamics is 15-18% off, so yes I'm getting about 190 to the wheels. I wish I did a baseline before I added the mods, well I kind of did at the dragstrip-10.2 in the 1/8. Don't ask me what my 60ft time was, I lost my slip I'm maxed out on the stock injectors so no sense in trying to tune it yet.


Now for some hate-- you first couple of posters better read Mark's announcement, I know about RMW and Jan's tunes, can't be in the mod section and not read about it every other thread. I didn't cut and splice my DME harness (and probably totally void my warranty) to install the Miniceptor for nothing. I know no one has had any luck with piggybacks but someone has to figure it out.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2008 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by J Marshall
Now for some hate-- you first couple of posters better read Mark's announcement, I know about RMW and Jan's tunes, can't be in the mod section and not read about it every other thread. I didn't cut and splice my DME harness (and probably totally void my warranty) to install the Miniceptor for nothing. I know no one has had any luck with piggybacks but someone has to figure it out.
Wow
 
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