Drivetrain So much debate about intercoolers and intakes
So much debate about intercoolers and intakes
Here is another car we just did with the following mods
17% Helix pulley
RMW Cylinder head
RMW Cam
RMW Full exhaust
RMW 440cc injectors
RMW Custom tune
STOCK PARTS
Stock intercooler
Stock throttle body
Stock JCW CAI
Stock internals blah blah blah
just goes to show you... it's NOT how much spend.... it's HOW you spend it
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Watch out for that black cabrio in Norcal
17% Helix pulley
RMW Cylinder head
RMW Cam
RMW Full exhaust
RMW 440cc injectors
RMW Custom tune
STOCK PARTS
Stock intercooler
Stock throttle body
Stock JCW CAI
Stock internals blah blah blah
just goes to show you... it's NOT how much spend.... it's HOW you spend it
Watch out for that black cabrio in Norcal
LOL... James, you would do better to change your exhaust and buy earplugs
Im in no way arguing with you Jan, your by far the master. I am WONDERING however with the head and 440s and 17% pulley, arent you concerned with heat or atleast considered the numbers with a cooler charge? why wouldnt an intercooler make a monster difference in this case? teach master and grasshopper will listen.
Hey Jan,
Any breakthroughs on the automatic tune front?Did fiddling w/Checkers car pan out for more gains?I wanna put in Heyzeus head soon at Danny's.
ps-is there a thread anywhere where you talk about the racing program your involved in?
-Still enjoyin' the hell outta my car!
Any breakthroughs on the automatic tune front?Did fiddling w/Checkers car pan out for more gains?I wanna put in Heyzeus head soon at Danny's.
ps-is there a thread anywhere where you talk about the racing program your involved in?
-Still enjoyin' the hell outta my car!
I'll answer 2 posts in this one....
We haven't seen a better intercooler on the track than the stock one if you are looking for air-air in traditional mounting.
We have finished our W2A kit now and will be selling it as of....NOW
It is the only system we have used which works in all situations and happens to take the most heat out of the charge of all water air's that we have tested.
As for the Automatics I haven't had a chance yet to get on this. We hope to be moving into our shop soon and it will give me the opportunity with our dyno to play for hrs on end.
We will be discussing our racing program shortly
We haven't seen a better intercooler on the track than the stock one if you are looking for air-air in traditional mounting.
We have finished our W2A kit now and will be selling it as of....NOW
It is the only system we have used which works in all situations and happens to take the most heat out of the charge of all water air's that we have tested.
As for the Automatics I haven't had a chance yet to get on this. We hope to be moving into our shop soon and it will give me the opportunity with our dyno to play for hrs on end.
We will be discussing our racing program shortly
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thanks Jan. I know your not tuning for a while starting soon, when do you think you may start up again? after lemans? when/if you do how does a nice trip to scenic,beautiful cincinnati sound? i know i can get atleast 6-10 people interested and have a dyno location ready very cheap. ?? theres alot of people here that dont have many options but unichip
and helix13. how would i set something like that up if your interested?
and helix13. how would i set something like that up if your interested?
also if Cincinnati did sound like a possibility, what do you like to see or what will help gain decent numbers on a tune? Without spending thousands. I love my mini but i cant personally justify a few grand. I have a 15% pulley a 2% crank, Alta CAI, Invidia Catback. I know ill need JCW 380 injectors for the tune but do you recommend anything else pre-tune to help get a couple horseys? thanks Jan.
also if Cincinnati did sound like a possibility, what do you like to see or what will help gain decent numbers on a tune? Without spending thousands. I love my mini but i cant personally justify a few grand. I have a 15% pulley a 2% crank, Alta CAI, Invidia Catback. I know ill need JCW 380 injectors for the tune but do you recommend anything else pre-tune to help get a couple horseys? thanks Jan.
the RMW cam is a start
$415 shipped to wonderful Cincy
We will be racing around the country and we will have a dyno with us on most occasions so stop by the track
Definitely W2A, while more complicated does have some advantages.
It's all clever marketing.
I'll be looking to add the RMW W2A IC and cam soon myself.
we have had numerous cars take off their intercoolers and gone back to stock on the track and have gone faster
I will be logging some data on the W2a either next weekend or the weekend after on the track. I will post up some data
Last edited by Revolution Mini Works; May 11, 2008 at 01:45 PM. Reason: dirty double post
Im in no way arguing with you Jan, your by far the master. I am WONDERING however with the head and 440s and 17% pulley, arent you concerned with heat or atleast considered the numbers with a cooler charge? why wouldnt an intercooler make a monster difference in this case? teach master and grasshopper will listen.


On the dyno with the stock IC the HIGHEST numbers I see are 102 degrees (Or about 35 above ambiant). That's on a dyno, with little to no airflow.
The reason a different IC doesn't make any difference is because they heat soak too easily. The other IC's on the market weight 4-5 x what the stocker weighs, and that's a BIG deal (Takes a LONG time to cool off once it's hot).
I've been saying it for years now and people just keep wasting money, if we don't need IC's making 250+ whp then you don't need one making 180!

Will an IC that actually does something help? Sure. We've tested the Laminova on the dyno and on the track. For a single pull or two back to back pulls, it doesn't make that big of a difference, but on the track it's night and day. Spinning up to 8200 RPM's I saw intake temps peaking at around 175 (It was about 100 degrees out). The Laminova was consistently 40-50 degrees cooler.
None of the Air to Air IC's we've tested other than the Stock and GP at this point make any power. Some actually lose power because of pressure drop and overheating.
Hope this helps!
I've logged intake temps on every one of our cars. The stock IC isn't a problem. It's far more efficient than any of the aftermarket Air to Air IC's I've tested.
On the dyno with the stock IC the HIGHEST numbers I see are 102 degrees (Or about 35 above ambiant). That's on a dyno, with little to no airflow.
The reason a different IC doesn't make any difference is because they heat soak too easily. The other IC's on the market weight 4-5 x what the stocker weighs, and that's a BIG deal (Takes a LONG time to cool off once it's hot).
I've been saying it for years now and people just keep wasting money, if we don't need IC's making 250+ whp then you don't need one making 180!
Will an IC that actually does something help? Sure. We've tested the Laminova on the dyno and on the track. For a single pull or two back to back pulls, it doesn't make that big of a difference, but on the track it's night and day. Spinning up to 8200 RPM's I saw intake temps peaking at around 175 (It was about 100 degrees out). The Laminova was consistently 40-50 degrees cooler.
None of the Air to Air IC's we've tested other than the Stock and GP at this point make any power. Some actually lose power because of pressure drop and overheating.
Hope this helps!
On the dyno with the stock IC the HIGHEST numbers I see are 102 degrees (Or about 35 above ambiant). That's on a dyno, with little to no airflow.
The reason a different IC doesn't make any difference is because they heat soak too easily. The other IC's on the market weight 4-5 x what the stocker weighs, and that's a BIG deal (Takes a LONG time to cool off once it's hot).
I've been saying it for years now and people just keep wasting money, if we don't need IC's making 250+ whp then you don't need one making 180!

Will an IC that actually does something help? Sure. We've tested the Laminova on the dyno and on the track. For a single pull or two back to back pulls, it doesn't make that big of a difference, but on the track it's night and day. Spinning up to 8200 RPM's I saw intake temps peaking at around 175 (It was about 100 degrees out). The Laminova was consistently 40-50 degrees cooler.
None of the Air to Air IC's we've tested other than the Stock and GP at this point make any power. Some actually lose power because of pressure drop and overheating.
Hope this helps!
regardless the W2A is far superior in back to back hammering of the car
I have a few tricks up the sleeve down the road for cooling it even more



