Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

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Old May 11, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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for each 6 degrees of inlet temp= 1% of your total power
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Old May 11, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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It's all clever marketing.


Screw the dynos, track times tell it all. Danny posted a 1:29 today in his car (Might have gotten better by now, this was at 11 this morning). That's about 6 seconds off the pace from the fastest times at that track (Track records). Yea, he knows how to drive, but he's certainly not a race car driver. We've got MINI's with Jan's parts out there putting down 1:27's.
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
there is a reason yours are so low compared to others

regardless the W2A is far superior in back to back hammering of the car
I have a few tricks up the sleeve down the road for cooling it even more
I mean even before. I expect lower temps now (And have been seeing lower temps).

Those are some GREAT results you got on that Cabrio. The owner is going to be in for a surprise when he drives it .
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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I mean even before. I expect lower temps now (And have been seeing lower temps).

Those are some GREAT results you got on that Cabrio. The owner is going to be in for a surprise when he drives it .

he was already introduced to the CA HWY patrol on the way home
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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he was already introduced to the CA HWY patrol on the way home


You should toss in a Valentine One with your Stage One kits .
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 02:19 PM
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You should have tossed in a Valentine One for him .
Maybe I should throw them in the RMW kits?
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Maybe I should throw them in the RMW kits?
Changed my post to reflect that! Makes more sense now that I think about it .
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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going to need to talk about that art soon.... want something for the shop
.....even Kul-er!.....just say the word!
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 03:13 PM
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Who needs water to air .

 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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Who needs water to air .

*Drool*
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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*Drool*

is that a shrimp steamer?
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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is that a shrimp steamer?
Nah it dosn't get hot enough
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Who needs water to air .

I agree...air 2 air ftw

 

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Old May 11, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Looks like I got you 18 to 12 .

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Old May 11, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Looks like I got you 18 to 12 .

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That's what the nitrous is for lol
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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Guys:
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 07:19 PM
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Guys:
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
It can be, it depends on what you're doing with the car. Yes, boost WILL be lower with a head (Not 10.5 psi though) and that will lower temperatures (By a bit), but it doesn't totally negate the fact that you're spinning the M45 out of it's efficiency. A 19% is WAY over RPM on the Eaton. Yes you will make more power, but at the cost of higher belt angles (Read: Slipping belt), more maintenance requirements (Belts will fail more often, the SC will probably fail prematurely) and heat (It's still going to run hotter, IAT's will be up, you'll probably be cavitating your water pump near redline, so your water temps will be through the roof on the track).

I'd leave the 15 on and enjoy the new power . You're not going to gain very much with a jump up to a 17 or 19, especially if you track the car.
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mini_racer
Guys:
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?

reducing boost will reduce your IAT's
the system will allow you to make the same or more HP with less boost which is better for the engine. We are working on other solutions for the MINI which will take us to the next zone of power and efficiency

stay tuned we are burning the midnight oil
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
Here is another car we just did with the following mods

17% Helix pulley
RMW Cylinder head
RMW Cam
RMW Full exhaust
RMW 440cc injectors
RMW Custom tune

STOCK PARTS
Stock intercooler
Stock throttle body
Stock JCW CAI
Stock internals blah blah blah

just goes to show you... it's NOT how much spend.... it's HOW you spend it We have a new leader Watch out for that black cabrio in Norcal
I'm thinking those aftermarket parts must be close to $6k not installed?
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
I'll answer 2 posts in this one....

We haven't seen a better intercooler on the track than the stock one if you are looking for air-air in traditional mounting.

We have finished our W2A kit now and will be selling it as of....NOW
It is the only system we have used which works in all situations and happens to take the most heat out of the charge of all water air's that we have tested.

As for the Automatics I haven't had a chance yet to get on this. We hope to be moving into our shop soon and it will give me the opportunity with our dyno to play for hrs on end.

We will be discussing our racing program shortly
We await your updates on the automatics, Jan.
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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I'm thinking those aftermarket parts must be close to $6k not installed?

I have to laugh here.... before RMW you could spend $12k and not make close to these numbers
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
I have to laugh here.... before RMW you could spend $12k and not make close to these numbers
Unfortunately thats still alot of money for me, maybe not for others .
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Whatever you are talking about it's UNPOSSIBLE!
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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Unfortunately thats still alot of money for me, maybe not for others .

if it makes you feel better, I can charge you 12K
 
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Old May 11, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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Guys:
Ok got it. I have a 15% on my JCW car and that seems to be the sweet spot, overall. A 17% gets closer to many limiting factors, but may be OK for street. 19% just seems to be a maintenance headache and crosses the line on many of those factors. And yes, I know there are certainly some cases of people loving a 19%, but the risk is high!

Also, yes it makes sense that lower boost means lower IAT, regardless of how achieved, meaning bigger SC pulley or a high flow head. So, another reason a good head increases performance, it not only flows better, it also lowers temps.........cool........or at least cooler!
 

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