Drivetrain So much debate about intercoolers and intakes
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Screw the dynos, track times tell it all. Danny posted a 1:29 today in his car (Might have gotten better by now, this was at 11 this morning). That's about 6 seconds off the pace from the fastest times at that track (Track records). Yea, he knows how to drive, but he's certainly not a race car driver. We've got MINI's with Jan's parts out there putting down 1:27's.
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Those are some GREAT results you got on that Cabrio. The owner is going to be in for a surprise when he drives it .
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Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
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Guys:
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
I'd leave the 15 on and enjoy the new power . You're not going to gain very much with a jump up to a 17 or 19, especially if you track the car.
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Guys:
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
Given a high flow head (i.e. RMW) and the boost reduction say, from about 15psi to about 10.5psi......does it naturally follow that temps would reduce as well?
The reason I ask is specific to pulley selection. Putting SC life and rpm aside for the moment, one of the main reasons to stay with a 15% redux as opposed to a 19% would be that the excessive temps produced by the 19% starts to more negatively affect performance than the additional boost helps.
So, with a proper head, does say a 17% pulley become more attactive due to the overall lower temps than for a stock head?
reducing boost will reduce your IAT's
the system will allow you to make the same or more HP with less boost which is better for the engine. We are working on other solutions for the MINI which will take us to the next zone of power and efficiency
stay tuned we are burning the midnight oil
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Here is another car we just did with the following mods
17% Helix pulley
RMW Cylinder head
RMW Cam
RMW Full exhaust
RMW 440cc injectors
RMW Custom tune
STOCK PARTS
Stock intercooler
Stock throttle body
Stock JCW CAI
Stock internals blah blah blah
just goes to show you... it's NOT how much spend.... it's HOW you spend it We have a new leader Watch out for that black cabrio in Norcal
17% Helix pulley
RMW Cylinder head
RMW Cam
RMW Full exhaust
RMW 440cc injectors
RMW Custom tune
STOCK PARTS
Stock intercooler
Stock throttle body
Stock JCW CAI
Stock internals blah blah blah
just goes to show you... it's NOT how much spend.... it's HOW you spend it We have a new leader Watch out for that black cabrio in Norcal
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I'll answer 2 posts in this one....
We haven't seen a better intercooler on the track than the stock one if you are looking for air-air in traditional mounting.
We have finished our W2A kit now and will be selling it as of....NOW
It is the only system we have used which works in all situations and happens to take the most heat out of the charge of all water air's that we have tested.
As for the Automatics I haven't had a chance yet to get on this. We hope to be moving into our shop soon and it will give me the opportunity with our dyno to play for hrs on end.
We will be discussing our racing program shortly
We haven't seen a better intercooler on the track than the stock one if you are looking for air-air in traditional mounting.
We have finished our W2A kit now and will be selling it as of....NOW
It is the only system we have used which works in all situations and happens to take the most heat out of the charge of all water air's that we have tested.
As for the Automatics I haven't had a chance yet to get on this. We hope to be moving into our shop soon and it will give me the opportunity with our dyno to play for hrs on end.
We will be discussing our racing program shortly
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Guys:
Ok got it. I have a 15% on my JCW car and that seems to be the sweet spot, overall. A 17% gets closer to many limiting factors, but may be OK for street. 19% just seems to be a maintenance headache and crosses the line on many of those factors. And yes, I know there are certainly some cases of people loving a 19%, but the risk is high!
Also, yes it makes sense that lower boost means lower IAT, regardless of how achieved, meaning bigger SC pulley or a high flow head. So, another reason a good head increases performance, it not only flows better, it also lowers temps.........cool........or at least cooler!
Ok got it. I have a 15% on my JCW car and that seems to be the sweet spot, overall. A 17% gets closer to many limiting factors, but may be OK for street. 19% just seems to be a maintenance headache and crosses the line on many of those factors. And yes, I know there are certainly some cases of people loving a 19%, but the risk is high!
Also, yes it makes sense that lower boost means lower IAT, regardless of how achieved, meaning bigger SC pulley or a high flow head. So, another reason a good head increases performance, it not only flows better, it also lowers temps.........cool........or at least cooler!
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