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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 09:54 PM
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thats what I got, the Perrin PW1 system that runs off of injector duty cycle. like I said, I will post more info down the road.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
Ok - Some of the systems that you guys posted are very cool and very nicely installed. Most of you have given it some good thought before investing in the systems you are using. I am by no means an expert and have used systems dating back to Marvin Miller. ( Ancient ) However, I see possibly some mistakes that I have made with my early attemps with these systems. This company is notably one of the best in the world for these systems. Check them out - call them up - see for yourself. But da' aint cheap!!
Be open mined and read all the information they have. I hope this helps answer some of your questions and maybe improve on the systems you already have.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/waterinjection.html#rb
Thanks for the read! I especially like the DIY section
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 01:22 AM
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good info

can i assume better mpg as well, ie leaner mix, with less chance of pre det, could be a good cost saving, as we already pay $10.00 per gallon for gas, it would be good point to argue if hp was only a side benifit,
more gas mpg, esp when giving it beans
better engine cooling/life
putting water in the tank has to be green
or is this a track day mod only, with only limited space under the hood available
unless you can live with a big tank of mix in the trunk?
 

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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 01:22 AM
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D-man... I ran a 25% mix befor my Head install.. got 11 WHP ( LOL... US WHP!! LOL) With the Head and no tune I am a little on the lean A/F , so I am up to a 50/50 mix. Get on the net and search 'Snow Performance'.. they will help on the explanation on the amount of Meth vs the amount of water!! cool?? My self I have NOT run straight meth!! the next time I on the dyno ( hooking up a wet NOS system) I'll see what my a/f is and HP gains.. cool??Just me..........................Thumper
Thanks Mike!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
FACT:

[SIZE=4]"Water Injection is most efficient with a 50/50 water alcohol (or methanol) mixture.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=4]Methanol, as an additive, is not a practical choice as it is prone to pre-ignition in higher than 50/50 percentages"[/SIZE]


Do your self a favor and do the research. And not Snow perfomance. They like many market parts and kits and are not water/water/meth or alchol experts.

Try a company that has built systems and racing engines for years. This is rocket science ya know and there are exact formulas to follow. Not guess work. It ain't cheap to do it right either. Its the old saying "speed costs how fast do you want to go"

pm me I will givew you the name of the company.
I have done some research on water meth injection so thanks for the tip!

I already have my kit, it is a custom kit from http://www.alkycontrol.com/ a company that just does water/meth injection kits... funny that!
I chose them or a number of reasons but it is a qaulity system and comes with a proper SFI approved fuel cell, stainless hoses and all the bells and whistles.
There are a number of different mixtures and I was wanting to know what people were running with their systems. I have read alot on the subject but I don't trust everything I read on the net and would rather talk to someone who has had experience with their own system on a mini!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 04:51 AM
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LOL... Snow Performance has been doing the S/C and Turbo 4.6 and 5.4 700-800 Wheel HP ( Ford trucks and cars) car for years ( My personel experience) as well as the imports ... There is no SECRET to this system.. or how to use them. As far as info given.. Snow is extremely knowledgeable.. And the cost is well withing the cost levels of other systems, and most of the time a LOT cheaper than some of the "MINI " systems. But .. it is always better to go to a lot of sources and then match part for part and use the same results with the usually better parts and results!! The more you DO read... the more you find there is a lot of hype for high dollar systems that can give the SAME if not LESS than other systems!!Just me.........................Thumper
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 07:25 AM
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As far as mixtures go

I've always run 50/50. There's data back to WWII that 50/50 has the best combination of cooling and detonation resistance. That being said, todays engines and driving routines are different. Could there be minor gains to changing the mixture? Maybe, but there are enough variables in just getting the system working right that changing mixtures at the same time seems fruitless. Unless you are running dynos to quantify the changes, or doing some serious data logging, it's hard to know if you helped or hurt the situation.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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Zackly...!! IT is always optional and the best way to tune using the DYNO.. that being said, there are a million guys out there with none available!! Thus the Internet.. yes?? Befor my Thumper Ported Head install, I ran 25% to 45% and saw only marginal of gains over the 25%.. so I stayed at that!! Then My head went on and I leaned out a bit.. NOT wanting to get the TUNE at this time, to help the lean, I bumped to 50%. I didnt run a dyno with different mixes of Meth at that time. I am going to install a wet NOS Kit and when that is ready to test... I will run more w/m tests... then the NOS tests.. then I will post those numbers and then people can see where they should "start" with!! Speaking of WWII, Da Germans were spraying the mess out of their engines with NOS , See this is nothing new!! LOLJust me..............................Thumper
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Thumper460
Zackly...!! IT is always optional and the best way to tune using the DYNO.. that being said, there are a million guys out there with none available!! Thus the Internet.. yes?? Befor my Thumper Ported Head install, I ran 25% to 45% and saw only marginal of gains over the 25%.. so I stayed at that!! Then My head went on and I leaned out a bit.. NOT wanting to get the TUNE at this time, to help the lean, I bumped to 50%. I didnt run a dyno with different mixes of Meth at that time. I am going to install a wet NOS Kit and when that is ready to test... I will run more w/m tests... then the NOS tests.. then I will post those numbers and then people can see where they should "start" with!! Speaking of WWII, Da Germans were spraying the mess out of their engines with NOS , See this is nothing new!! LOLJust me..............................Thumper
Great, we will wait for your testing and results.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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I have to say this is one of the best threads in performance mods I have followed in a long time here on NAM. Everyone has great idea's and systems. I have even found myself thinking of trying new things. I truley hope that this thread continues to stay positive. After all we are all alkies and meth user's

 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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here is my thread about my tank install. I will have more pix, when I put it into my car:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=143448
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Griton
here is my thread about my tank install. I will have more pix, when I put it into my car:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=143448
Very cool system .

If I can get mine looking half a good I will be happy
 
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Old Jun 22, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
Be open mined and read all the information they have. I hope this helps answer some of your questions and maybe improve on the systems you already have.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/waterinjection.html#rb
Don't know why the recommend using ethanol....probably due to the cost, but if you are going to go to the trouble on putting in a water/meth system why bother?

Methanol has better "latent heat of evaporation characteristics".
Which means methanol is more effective in absorbing heat from both the air and from the engine as it vapourises.
Methanol has been shown to be the best alcohol at internally cooling an engine via injection.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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Used nitrous on my blown 00 Civic Si, REAL COLD REAL FAST at the click of a switch. I would be surprised if the water injection could do the sam just as fast, but it would be cheaper to run if used constantly and you would not have to carry a potentially explosive bottle in your trunk either!
 
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