Aesthetically speaking, is the bumper-shifter's shaft designed for retrofitted custom shift-***** like Whalen, Robin Casady, etc.?

 

Good question and that one I do not know . I wanted to use the delrin **** I have which is in the style of the Corvette race cars but the one that came with it is damn close. The best feature of the Whalen ****, the weight , would not be a benefit in the bump stick as there is no gate to work your way thru. You just have a very minimal movment back and forth. I will try to find out the attachment system, thread size or ... ?

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

How many work hours is the shop time install? With only two units installed on Mini's, how many shops are experienced to do the install? What warranty is offered? I think most would want to know. The merits are dependent on complete disclosure... What parts need to be replaced/altered (A REPEATED QUESTION)? What parts would need to be replaced in a reversal?

 

Just found this thread.

Whoah! I don't think you know Bill. I do.
He's a fine gentleman slightly older than me. We're both old enough to have kids older than you. In my culture, you would not think of speaking to an elder in this manner.

I find your quoted comment offensive. If you have any decency, I hope you will have apologized to him by now.

(Think of it this way, if some kid your age would've made the same comment to your dad, how would it make you feel?)

-Juan Calderon
Norwalk, CA

 

Time would depend on the shop really . Steve is coming to check it out on sunday so perhaps I can have a better answer for you shortly

It is more time consuming than technical so I feel competent shops such as Johnnie's Auto Clinic or Steve's Auto clinic will have no issues with it.

The standard aftermarket warranty will apply as it does with all of our products.

The parts needed in the reversal will be in the box we give you when you pick up the car . 100% reversible
The reversal process as is often the case would shorter than the initial install.

Thanks for the bump

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Seriously. Do you really feel the need to emphasize the CC education and the passing grade in the Psyc101 in every post?

What is the "standard AM warranty"?

More time consuming than technical? So why is it so time consuming?

"The parts needed in the reversal will be in the box we give you when you pick up the car . 100% reversible". Since you know that, you should have no problem posting what those parts are. I think this is a second, or third time that I am asking.

You have beaten the bush. You have beaten around the bush. Just answer the damn question already. If you don't want to answer the question, just say so. If you don't know the answer, just say so.

And just to save you some key strokes. You are welcome for the bump.

 

who loves this thread? I know I do!

 

Well it did turn for the better...........but I see the darkside returning .

 

If you are referring to me, let me just say that it is not my intent. If my questions are irrelevant just let me know.

I think this unit has merits. I am just trying to find more info beyond the sales pitch. This is a quote from M7 website:

"We suggest installation to be done by your trusted, local auto shop as there is a lot of work involved. If you are comfortable with electrical wiring and mechanic work, you may be able to do this at home with the help of a friend. This is by no means a small task and we expect typical installation to be at least 2 to 3 days worth of work (depending on skill level). Also note that a laptop with Windows operating system (Macs that have Windows installed works as well) is required to use the box configuration program. "

Sounds a lot more involved that what Randy is representing in this thread. I would also propose that anyone who knows they will be selling their car in the future will find it nearly impossible to sell with this unit installed, necessitating the "reversal". Just explaining the thought process behind my questions.

 

Reread, please:

Now, read this article on the Flying Lizard Motorsports 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (American Le Mans Series GT2), written by Johannes van Overbeek for Porsche Excellence Magazine:

Is this "full blown race car" enough for you?

 

Well I wasn't quite talking about you.....more of the tone of the conversation changing again. Concerning your last sentance.."I would also propose that anyone who knows they will be selling their car in the future will find it nearly impossible to sell with this unit installed, necessitating the "reversal" Do most of use really concern ourselfs about what we will need to take off our cars when we are buying all this stuff for our cars? If that was the case we would be all screwed . Most of the drivetrain stuff that goes into these machines of ours are not " Street legal" anyway But I understand where you are comming from, I like to stir pots also .

 

No most of us don't. But with a $6,000 price tag with a big chunk of it being install charges I'd say it is something one should think about. Specially since this unit is not for everyone.

I am in no way trying to stir the pot. If my questions have no merit, let me know. Feel free to do it over PM to avoid unnecessary ***** storms.

 

I haven't seen a price on it yet? Their website does not show one. I thought I have seen a $3600. price out there, but I may be mistaken.

 

$3600 plus installation.

 

In an attempt to keep this thread on track, I'll appologize (Again) to anyone I offended by any comments I made.

To answer your other question. Had some kid (22 years old isn't quite kid) told my dad to not get his panties in a bunch (A joking comment intended to perhaps lighten the mood a bit), why would that have anything to do with me? My father is 63 years old, and quite capable of dealing with his own problems without involvement from me or anyone else.

If he had an issue with what I said, could he not have approached me either in a PM or directly on the forum? While I understand your point, you have to understand that I meant no disrespect by what I said, and again, i'm sorry if that was the way my comment was taken. I thought the joking nature was obvious.

Majorly off topic (But semi related to your comment) as far as I'm concerned, whether someone's 5 years younger than me or 40 years older than me, their opinion is every bit as valid, and they deserve no more or less respect than the other person. The mentality that the younger generation is sub-par and has to earn their way into the world is quite outdated. Frankly I find it offensive that people still think that age = knowledge. In this day and age that couldn't be further from the truth.

I'm friends with a 17 year old "kid" that would walk circles around almost everyone on this forum intellectually (He's been going to college since he was 11 years old, and is currently enrolled in a doctorate program at UCLA). The fact that he's 17 doesn't make what he says any less valid than someone who's 60. By the same token, someone living past the age of 50 doesn't automatically qualify them for some level of respect above and beyond everyone younger than them.

I'm not sure what culture you're from, but the way I was raised, people have to earn respect. Just like real life, there are no free tickets. The simple fact that someone was concieved before I was doesn't, in my mind, entitle them to respect solely for that reason.

Lets move on please, all parties have apologized (2 pages ago) and we're trying to keep the thread on topic.

 

Another one of those wannabe race cars (JGTC/Super GT ARTA NSX driven by Keiichi Tsuchiya):

http://www.revver.com/video/213677/a...attack-2-of-2/

See 3:59.

 

Any idea how long a shop install will take?

 

My brain hurts just thinking about how much it would cost to return my car to stock .

 

Looks like it, The RSR is a hell of a car, about as close to a factory race car as it gets. My comment had more to do with the placement of shifter paddles than whether or not it had a clutch.

Keep in mind the race cars you've shown thus far also have straight cut gears and ignition cut-out systems that are quite a bit more complicated (And expensive) than the system M7 is showcasing. Many of those transmissions, while they may have clutches don't require any clutch pedal input for gear changes (I never said it would be smooth!).

As I said, I was mostly trying to point out that people interested in turning their car into a full blown race car would likely opt for a much more complicated sequential shift gearbox with dogtooth gears and the works, over something with paddle shifters. M7 already said they're working on a bump shift design, which brings it closer to the racecar application I mentioned.

 

I haven't seen the installation procedure yet so I don't know. It really doesn't look that hard, but the adjustment and software setup may take more time. I got to play with the two systems installed at AMVIV and was very happy with the look and quality of them.

Steve

 

My guess is that anyone that is gonna drop this much coin on such a serious mod probably owns one of those cars that is modded from head to toe with more than just bolt-ons (like gnat's car or similiar)....and I may be wrong, but I'd imagine that cars like that don't get often reverted back to stock before selling.

 

My car has everything gnat's does performance wise. Only difference is a GP intercooler and all the body mods .

Like I said, my brain hurts just thinking about how much it would cost going back to stock .

 

My new back ground

 

I saw the system, I didn't play with it as I'm not interested and didn't want to waste anyones time on a test drive for something I have no intention of buying. I find the visceral experience of rowing through the gears part of the fun in driving. I've driven SMG equipped cars and while technically faster and more precise it was not as engaging.

Kudos's go to M7 for even delving into a system such as this. It's not for everyone and most likely is more of a design excersize in the "what if" realm. Sure a few folks will buy it and those that do are not worried about going back to stock. From talking to Randy and seeing how it's installed I can't see reverting back not to hard. To paraphrase most manuals; removal is reverse of install. Only they don't hand you back a check.