All I have to say is this thread went from really awesome, to really lame. The thing about arguing on the internet is it's like competing in the special olympics...at the end of the day you're still retarded.

Lets stick to things that matter like getting paddle shifters for minis and keep the childish stuff off the boards.

Thanks

 

seems clear who brought Danny's name into the convo and it wasn't a μ member was it?

 

Let me get this back on track. I will preface with a few statement:

1. I have no love for M7 (well known).
2. I have no plans to buy this product. Ever.
3. I am not an engineer.

That being said, I have a few questions. I find the product intriguing, even if the price is . My understanding is that the M7's part in the "development" of this unit is only insofar as adapting it for the Mini application, so they might not have the answers to my purely educational questions. I am not doubting the units quality, concept, or reliability as it seems it has been used successfully before. What I am curious about is the long term effect on the affected parts.

After reading the M7 sales pitch on their website, I seem to recall shift times of 200 ms. How will the clutch and trany internals hold up? Specially on the older Midlands units. Do you not need higher tolerances and better parts to accommodate things that are moving now faster. Kind of like the reason that Audi, BMW, others use the dual clutch in their sequential shifters?

Maybe someone with more expertise than me can discuss this.

P.S. This should be on topic enough.

 

I asked the same Q and M7 said 'no problems' over on m|u. I think it's hard to be confident of that without multiple cars running thousands of miles of hardcore driving.

 

What sort of shift times are the big boys getting? I know they achieve those by disengaging the running gear and engaging the next gear at the same time. Certainly not possible with a standard transmission. I bet this thing will be harsh on the syncros.

 

 

Any idea where the vw/audi DSG stands?

 

With that list I am skeptical about the M7 unit. Those times are on a purposely build transmissions.

 

linky linky

 

personally the shift time seems too fast to be safe. That's one of the concerns i raised with randy. He said they can program the delay to be anything that you/they want it to be. Fwiw when you hit the paddle it doesn't seem to shift overly fast. Sounds about like it should when you shift yourself.

I'm not sure i could shift my car in 200ms. But who knows... never really tried or timed it.

 

Maybe it's just me, but programming a delay into something that you just blew the bank on to make things faster is.... well, you get the picture.

 

yeah at that point it would be about maximizing the shift time and consistency. Again like i said in my first post in this thread and like randy said... this isn't for everyone. But if you look at the system and the bracket system for the paddles they've made... they are making a real run at it. I would never have the money for such a system in my car... likely i'd spend it on more obvious dollar per hp improvements.

But whatever floats your boat.

 

Absolutely. My curiosity is what it will do to the longevity of the parts it affects. Of course I would assume anyone that gets this unit is mostly track oriented and as anything on track the life expectancy is somewhat diminished.

 

this part makes sense to me. electronics can move faster (or at least send signals) than mechanical parts. it may need to be necessary to slow electronics to fit the mechanical.

 

I guess... I wonder if sending gertrag an email would answer these questions.

 

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making sense and working are two different things.

 

That is the point. You would be paying for "fast". But than you have to slow it down to the lowest common denominator. Kind of like you buying Air Jordans. Know what I mean?

 

Is that who manufactures this?

 

nah...that's who manufactures the gearbox that is already in the cars.

 

Why would I email Getrag about the Midland?

 

Sorry to steer off topic, but I have just been aware of what happened. I wanted to clearly apologize for the incident and let people know I am aware it was a horrible call and it won't happen again. No replies needed as I don't want to take away from the thread. Once again no hard feelings from my end onto anyone involved, and hope it's water under the bridge. Lets just move on and I have obviously learned from it.

Thanks,
Danny D
MINICORSA
818-994-0338

 

and that's how it's done. thanks Danny (even though I wasn't there...nice to see a proper response even still )

 

You'd have to be crazy to install this on a midlands....those have a hard enough time handling normal shifting

 

coming from me at this point i'm sure it doesn't mean much... but apology accepted. It takes ***** to man up and apologize for doing something stupid.

Erik