Gotta hand it to M7, for they continue to try to bring us new things.

 

I've got 2 college degrees and i don't live in my parents basement. so yeah... instead of dropping money on 2 mini's... i dropped my cash on a life... but that's the point, a lot of people here have spent tons of cash on things in their lives, the point is they don't have to remind some one how much they spent on their cars or w/e it is.

Take a wild guess which did more damage to danny's customer base. Me pulling him aside and telling him that drifting his fwd car around a parking lot full of cars and people was not cool, or the act that started it. He lost my business at that point already. I guarantee i would have spent about 10x the amount of money at his shop then the actual sizers i may have interrupted trying to decide if voiding their warranty for a pully is a good idea. Once the move was made to jeopardize the lives of the people on that parking deck, the condition of the cars that were parked there and the future of the palace station allowing amviv to continue... I had every right to do whatever I wanted... If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

As far as misrepresenting m|u... I wasn't out of line at all. We run around socal with that sticker on our car representing the car club we belong to. Some of our members were involved with the start of VCR.... other members of ours are common faces at the SD autoX's. We simply do not want to be associated with dbags or dbag moves. We don't want cops seeing that sticker and thinking... hmmmm where have I seen that before.

further proving you don't get "it". It's a team thing... it's a group of people hanging out together because we have a common interest. I shared my distaste for what happened that time with all the m|u people that were there. I decided it was not an issue to handle after having many drinks... The morning after neither my, nor any of the m|u members opinions changed about the situation... I just happened to be the first one to make the move.

Remember what your parents told you when you were young? You're destined to be categorized with the people you associate with. This is an important life lesson that needs to be learned. What if... just what if... something would have happend that lead to people being hurt or cars being crashed... and pictures showed up all over nam with a wrecked mini (or mini's) with RMW stickers all over it. What happens then? Is it fair to assume that no backlash will ever hit an innocent party.

 

this thread could benefit from

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=131635&page=3

see post #61 of LongBoards.

 

time for group cuddle

 

Anyone can become a m|u member. It only requires registration. Site members are very important to m|u. That's why we have over 1700 registered members.

The group of µ are equivalent of admins. Yes, not every site member can be admin. There are 2 primary rules to being a µ member. Don't be a douche and attend 2 events per quarter. As we have a limit on how many people we can have, and how many can be brought on, it also takes time and participation. Who wants admins who do not participate?

 

Wow... Okay, for starters: Rustyboy, I think you owe it to you and the companies you represent to do some research before you go bashing one of their competitors' product. If you know anything at all about racing, you would know that many GT-class race cars are set up in much the same way as the M7 setup. They require you to use a clutch, but are shifted sequentially. The reason behind this is that under the cornering forces encountered in a racing situation, it is much easier to manipulate an up/down switch or a left/right paddle than it is to negotiate an H-pattern conventional shifter. At track engine speeds, one mis-shift can cost you positions at best, or cause the engine to grenade on-track at worst. The reason they still require a clutch is that for one, most GT-class race drivers prefer the manual interaction with the car, and second, keeping a human element in place creates better competition since it maintains a measure of driver skill moreso than a measure of race team financial investment. The main difference between race transmissions and the M7 setup is that most race transmissions are set up to be upshifted without the clutch (some with automatic throttle cut-off, some require you to lift your foot). If you knew anything about manual transmissions, you'd know that this is also possible on a conventional gearbox if you double-clutch properly.

Second, don't you think it's a little foolish of you to bring up the incident that happened at AMVIV? Erik did the right thing by approaching Danny and letting him know his opinion on the incident, then squashing it and keeping it off the boards entirely. Good enough could not be left alone, and you chose to bring it up, despite being completely off-topic and potentially damaging to the businesses with which you are associated. Now that the cat's out of the bag, I'll give my observations on it: There were plenty of people around, including people very close to either side of the car when he originally peeled out from his parking spot. People had to step out of the way quickly. Once that was done, he drifted the car left--directing the energy of the car DIRECTLY AT THE MPG-MOTORING BOOTH AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SITTING IN IT. Had Danny made one slight miscalculation, he would have hit multiple people and cars in that turn alone. (BTW, you know it's bad when the JDM-fans that were gathered at the MPG-Motoring booth were wondering WTF that was all about. ) Next up, he did a 180, again with cars around him. He then sped down the straight, did a right-hand drift with cars surrounding him, did another right-hand drift, then tried to do a right-hand drift and oversteered a little too far. He came to a stop with the nose of his car pointed at parked cars, which caused him to have to crank the wheel left to recover and proceed back to his parking space. In other words, he was obviously not in total control of the vehicle, and had he not been lucky, things could have ended far differently. I really couldn't care less if he were doing this in an empty parking lot, but he has no business endangering the lives and property of other people with some high school "look at me!" driving antics. After having cooled down, Erik took it upon himself to ask him to remove the m|u sticker the next day, and I fully back him up on that decision, since we do not want to be dragged into a situation where Danny goes Tokyo Drift again and actually damages property or kills someone with our sticker on his back bumper. With that said, I think Danny did far more damage to his reputation with that Fast & Furious driving session than Erik could have possibly done by going over to his booth and asking him to remove a sticker.

 

I think what he was referring to was the point that there is a "PRIVATE" board for "admins"................. what you stated isn't totally correct but lets have fun anyway

and for Ivans post below so we can save more space......
no one approved of Danny's driving.... he knows he did wrong and apologized, that's more than I have ever seen from you
I am sure none of you have ever done anything wrong in your life time. It's water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned. If it happens again... that's another story.

 

Er... there's also a "PRIVATE" board for "admins" here on NAM, and on pretty much every decent-sized forum. All good though... just as this gearbox isn't for everybody, neither is motoring|underground.

I didn't see an apology. I definitely didn't hear of an apology to the people he endangered on that left-hander.

I totally agree, and that's why it wasn't brought up until Rusty brought it up. Erik had already squashed it, but if Rusty is gonna try to somehow turn it around and make it look like Erik and m|u did something wrong, we have no choice but to respond.

 

haha, the "private" boards are completely overrated in minds. Let's see active topics: this months votes, who's going to the dragon, why i'm not going to the dragon and deciding on another event. the crazy days are long gone... we're all old and some of us are balding now....

 

that's a fair way to play it off but who at the end of the day really cares?

 

eh... we've all said what was on our minds... time to let this one die and take a step back from the keyboard. it's not going to go any where good from here.

 

wow... isnt there a private area on that other forum that a few of you guys frequent? and isnt there a hint of elitism on there too? effin hypocrites

 

haha, well the **** boards aren't included in the µ board. it's a separate subscription...

 

Holy hell...what happened here?

Well, lets all take a drive in our wonderful cars and come back to the boards...I know that a drive truely can calm me down...

 

I don't owe anything to any company? And I sure as hell don't represent anyone. Jan or Danny haven't given me a cent in the year that i've known both of them. Trust me, the only money that was exchanged was from me to them. I hang out with Danny and Jan because we have common interests, and we've gone to the track a bunch of times together. I certainly don't work for either of them.

I'm entitled to my own opinion and it sure as hell doesn't have to reflect anyone else's. I don't see M7 complaining about my post, they know that this system isn't for everyone, and couldn't give a crap if I do or don't like it. Instead of humping their leg, and jumping on anyone who doesn't love every product they release, perhaps you should realize that we're all allowed to voice our own opinions? Why are you trying to sell me on their product? I'm obviously not interested. People that want a system like this will buy it, it's not something that you need to "Sell" people on.

On Danny:
He didn't approach him calmly and explain the situation (As many other members without his hot head did later on), he walked up to him yelling at him, got in his face, and nearly threw it down with him (With customers walking around). Had he done what you said, I don't think anyone would have cared, and he may have gotten a much better reaction.

I don't think anybody advocated what happened, and he did apologize. You make it seem like he nearly ran into a crowd of people, there were people gathered along the wall, next to MY car, in OUR booth drinking, when he went in the completely opposite direction of all of those people (To the left) and did his thing. In retrospect, it wasn't the smartest thing to do, but that doesn't mean you can't pull him aside the next day and do what Chris (Tuls) did, explain why it was such a big deal, calmly. Need I remind you that the real reason this was an this big of an issue is because an MU member did the same thing a few years ago at AMVIV and your club was almost banned? We all make mistakes, lets move on? Nothing happened, and if it had he would have made things right.

There's no denying that being a µ member is a lot more than being an admin on the forum. The approval process that people have to go through (Holding a nomination process, then a vote from all the members, requiring a minimum time outlay both in posting and going to and from events, etc) is closer to a cult or a fraternity than a car club. 1700 members is chump change in the online world. NAM has nearly 50,000 members. I might also remind you that your own website statistics say that only 600 of those 1700 members are actually active.

If it works for the 600 active members you have, that's great.

Can we move on now or are we going to go more off topic!

 

First it was a chirp around a corner at the bottom. Hmmm. that member is now banned and gone... We did appologize to those around, and yes it was taken seriously - not played off as if it was ok let alone stating nobody was around.


we have far more than 600 people loggin in each month. and if it's a cult, then so be it, after all we have a few reverends in µ. It was the best $5 I have ever spent. I am happy with it. NAM has its place, and so do the other sites.

 

I want to let this die out of respect for people involved and their futures... but you are mistaken. I approached him quietly when there were at most 2 customers in his booth and spoke to him in a normal voice letting him know that it was un-acceptable. He was the one who raised his voice... not me. Considering that my first instinct was to pull out a breaking bar from my car immediately when it happened and go to down... it was the better of the two options.

M|U had a problem with some members in the past creating drama for no reason (at amviv as well). That problem was handled and corrected. those people are no longer members on our forums. We do not wish to be associated with loose cannon style car club antics and we do not want that coming back to us for people that don't even post on our forums.

The structure of our boards as about as much to do with this discussion as your feelings on the paddle shifter system m7 is currently developing. If you don't like it or don't agree... vote with your money or your lack of posting. Don't rush in like a closet expert telling people what you think with no first hand experience of the product. Ironic that you are doing the same with m|u as you are with this shifter system. Do i sense a pattern here?

 

They never did let you marry them that weekend....such a shame

 

so about that paddle shifter...

 

I wasn't there for the confrontation, so I can't speak for Erik, but from what I understand, he went up and talked to him and Danny was the one that got loud and confrontational. Erik got exactly the reaction he was looking for--a removed sticker.

Where exactly is this apology by Danny everyone is referencing? Am I missing something? Nobody from m|u ever got reprimanded for drifting at AMVIV. We got reprimanded because Brit was revving her loudass engine up the empty lower floors. Regardless, she's banned, so we don't have to worry about her attracting attention with stupid antics.

Need I remind you that our members don't pay dues? We have a voting process because we actually care about the caliber of people and cars that join our car club, so much so that we don't ask for any money in return. Whether its formal or not, a lot of car clubs have a voting process ("naw, his car is wack." "agreed" / "yeah, he's got a cool car, let's get him on the club." "agreed"). Since when is it elitist to require a car club member to show up to meets and post on the car club forums?

Regarding our numbers, most of us prefer it that way. We're not in it for the numbers, we're in it for the community. If you want to pupu our forum because it's not big enough for you, good riddance. Sorry if we're not cool enough for you. Again, motoring|underground isn't for everyone. I don't have anything against NAM or any other forum. They all have their own merits, so find one that you dig and stick to it.

 

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas .

Our does it .

LB

 

Only when it benefits the MU Brigade!

 

We tried to, but ol' Rusty had to break the Vegas code.

Anyway, all good. Consider it squashed. Now, I must get back to the top secret hidden elitist lair to polish my black AMEX.

 

guess not.

really, the dude who drove like an *** is just that....an ***.
no one should be sticking up for him in any shape or form.
bottom line is he put people in danger and acted like a child. he should be called out on it and removing his stripes was completely called for. if i do some dumb **** like that i hope to god someone puts me in line.
who ever he reps is guilty by association and sux for them.
forgive people for taking pride in what they do (m/u or NAM or M7 etc.)

yeah, i wasnt there...so what? facts are facts and whoever defends that shmucks actions is an idiot.

NGFY

 

it all depends upon whose "facts" you use to make your opinion....
but judging by your NGFY.... it's all relevant

now... back to our regularly scheduled thread about paddle shifters or lack there of