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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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How-To for Lower engine mount bushing?

I am looking for some way to reduce the crazy bucking when lifting throttle and I saw that lower engine mount is the way to go.

Anyone got info on how-to change the bushings?

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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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Jack up front of MINI and support with stands.

Remove mount.

Press out wee end bushing. Press in new bushing.

Install inserts for big end bushing.

Re-install mount.

Lower MINI.

Enjoy!

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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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any special instruction in removing the mount?
how many bolts do i have to remove @ what tq?
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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pictures and bushings used?
 
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:41 PM
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For the Lower Engine Mount:

This is what I mean about a flat deck. The bushing inserts need to be the same height as the steel insert (in the middle). There was NO way in hell it would fit until I ground/sanded it down (on my 04/03 build at least). It was relatively tight even now - I could get it into position but the bolt holes were difficult to align - I ended up using a screwdriver through the bolt hole to line it up first . You can see that I did the small end as well - the insert provided by Powerflex for that location had to be cut and ground as well...it jutted out about a centimeter beyond the purple bushings:



This is what I mean about doing the two big bolts (top and middle) before the 4 smaller ones in the bracket attached to the oil pan. For reference, the top bolt will be longer than the middle bolt. The involved parts have also been cleaned up as well:



Completed install. I apologize for the dirt...I was pulling a Tommi Makinen around an under-construction portion of the neighborhood. You can see where I had to break out the WD-40 and brush:




That all aside, you need:
- Ramps or Jack Stands
- 13mm Socket
- 16mm Socket
- Torque Wrench
- Good Music
- Good Lighting (Like all things automotive)
- 20 Minutes (I needed extra time this time around to grind down the bushings and clean up the area; 20 minutes if you know what you're doing, probably 30-40 first time you **** around under there)

REALLY easy to do. One of the cheapest and best mods for this car. No need to drop a load on engine dampeners...this will get you the same effect, using essentially stock parts, at a lot less cost.

- Matt
Addendum...small bolts are 24 lb/ft I believe...large are 74 lb/ft.

Oh, and my underbody is near spotless now. =)

- Matt
 
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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are those specific to the older models? I have an '06 and my IE bushings look a bit different (maybe just because they're not installed in this pic):


 
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PGT
are those specific to the older models? I have an '06 and my IE bushings look a bit different (maybe just because they're not installed in this pic):


I actually bought a replacement dog-bone piece (I thought I was having an issue with one), and it was identical - they've always had the same part number. Inserts made for any R53 should fit. Mine are the Powerflex ones, both the large and small ends, so that would explain the color difference. Installed, they should look the same physically.

As well, don't bother doing the small end...I noticed no gain adding it after having the large end already in place. Save yourself the cash.

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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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Nice!
Thank you alot!!
 
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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ok, so jack up on stands, lift/support the motor, unbolt the dogbone, tear out old and insert new, reinstall? that's it? I'll knock it out Fri if so.
 
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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ok, so jack up on stands, lift/support the motor, unbolt the dogbone, tear out old and insert new, reinstall? that's it? I'll knock it out Fri if so.
I didn't even bother supporting the motor....the first time I got under there I did, but considering both the upper mounts stay in place (and that's what's taking the vertical load in the first place), no need to support with a jack.

Oh, and you'll have to unbolt the PS fan for adequate clearance and removal of the dog-bone chunk. The inserts pop right into the large end. Like I mentioned above, I had the additional spent time of sanding/grinding down the flat portion of the bushing insert to make a level deck so it would all fit back into the underside dog-bone holder (if that makes little sense, you'll see).

20 minutes or so, no sanding needed, luck permitting.

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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:05 PM
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yeah...makes sense about the insert. was that included with the new ones or the stock one inserted? I don't believe I saw one with my IE kit
 
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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PGT
yeah...makes sense about the insert. was that included with the new ones or the stock one inserted? I don't believe I saw one with my IE kit
The metal insert was only for the small end. The poly insert was for both, and the poly insert on the large end had to be flattened lower.

I apologize if this explanation is coming off terribly.

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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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no, that makes total sense as to why I don't have one
 
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I also used the powerflex bushings. For the big end I just compressed the inserts into the standard rubber bushing with my vise and used a bit of the grease provided to slip it back into the bracket(no sanding required).

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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jhiggs26
I also used the powerflex bushings. For the big end I just compressed the inserts into the standard rubber bushing with my vise and used a bit of the grease provided to slip it back into the bracket(no sanding required).

Jeremy
Any oil based grease can deteriorate rubber over time - not sure if this is the case for polyurethane, but might be something to keep in mind.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 04:44 AM
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Any oil based grease can deteriorate rubber over time - not sure if this is the case for polyurethane, but might be something to keep in mind.
it's synthetic grease and Powerflex includes it - surely, they didn't include the wrong type
 
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 05:47 AM
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so Powerflex bushings are the most popular for these?
 
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Old Mar 27, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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it's synthetic grease and Powerflex includes it - surely, they didn't include the wrong type
Gotcha
 
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Originally Posted by PGT
are those specific to the older models? I have an '06 and my IE bushings look a bit different (maybe just because they're not installed in this pic):


Just installed these last night...took all of 15 minutes!
Vibration at idle is more noticeable, but at speed they feel great/perfect.

Question for those with these installed, will the bushings soften/settle with time?
 
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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Some thoughts on these gizmos

I've been thinking about these things (and engine bushings in general). Idealy, you want to increase the stiffness on the upper and the lower. If not, the engine won't rotate about the torque center. It does that stock if the Mini engineers did thier jobs right. This is all theory though....

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BTW, I installed the IE units this morning: it's everything advertised! Vibration is clearly greater at idle, but once moving not noticeable. Handling is vastly improved though, I feel about 20 more HP and fuel economy has gone through the roof...
 
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Originally Posted by DrPhilGandini
BTW, I installed the IE units this morning: it's everything advertised! Vibration is clearly greater at idle, but once moving not noticeable. Handling is vastly improved though, I feel about 20 more HP and fuel economy has gone through the roof...
I want data ! ! ! !
 
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I want data ! ! ! !
You want data? There will be no data because you don't trust me... I said it added 20HP, made the car feel "more connected" and improved gas mileage! Believe me. Really. Yes, it vibrates more and my engine feels like it's about to fall out of the car...but that's a small price to pay for the improvement in all aspects of Mini performance I am experiencing.
What more can I say?
 
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