I don't think anybody's arguing with you.

 

 

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LMAO!! you want some calamari with that Vtec?!

 

RESPECT IS EARNED. Your post count on the scooby doo boards mean nothing here, sorry, the only person needing to get off their horse is you. Get over your self.

and no there is no VVT on the R53. thanks for coming out, now go home or as I said before, read more, post less till you know what you are talkin about

Sorry if that sounds harsh to you, but I am tired of the "internet expert" oohhh so you have posts on other forums! WOOO HOO! I have built 700-1500 WHP supras, 500-1000 WHP EVOs, Super bikes and numerous other cars, even some exotics!

but you know what? that doesnt apply here, I earned my respect buy learning, and showing the community I was here to learn and then give back, many of us have done that, but you show up spouting off about how to do it, and you know becaaaauuuse?

Ante up, some of the things you say are great, and have merit, but over all you are just coming off as some know it all internet noob who read some book or article on "how to build a four banger to make BIG power"

 

Tuls to the rescue again. Glad your here for all the things you do and for letting people know when to pipe it down.

 

edit.

 

I never once claimed on what is better for the Mini. I was just asking about this tuning job becuase the A/F ratio is not like any of the others I;ve seen. Not just me but a few other members also wanted to learn why?

You seam like a smart guy and since Jan doesn't want to answer up. Can you explain the A/F ratio's having a V shape starting lean and then toward the end of the RPMs become lean again?

 

hurhurhur. I'm sure you can, but I was wondering the sorts of gains expected. DMH/LDG were saying a proper M62 car would come to 300+whp and fat torque. I've yet to see any dynos of it though.

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And Charger – I don't think you're going to get any serious answers. I don't understand why. Are correct A/F ratios really proprietary? If so, then Jan has reason not to talk. I don't get all the comments from the peanut gallery though.

 

I tuned a M62 in Atlanta but only got about an hr with it. From what I saw of this car and dyno's of other M62s around SoCa, I seriously doubt it will be a "useful" 300whp due to the fact the blower is too big for this 1.6L. Now on my 2.0L that is another story. After seeing how much more effective with heat the Rotrex is.... this is a much better way about going about it. imho

If I listened to others on here yrs ago we still wouldn't have a 2.0L stroker running around making over 456 ft lbs of torque on the turbo ONLY

Wait til I hit it with a 200 shot

Hubie and I have been doing what others said couldn't be done yrs ago and we will continue to do so in the future.... why?

because we can

 

Ouch! So I guess you busted me in all my wasted posts, bummer, I guess I better start questioning things in this MINI forum simply because I've been restoring and selling old VWs for over 40 years. Oops, guess not. My VW experience means almost squat here, guess what - so does your biker experience.

Ha! OK, so all your bantering is more valuable than turning the rear wiper water supply into a squirt gun. Whatever. I don't purport that mod to be anything but pure fun and great at distracting bikers and I get a huge kick out of squirting them when they go winding through freeway traffic.

 

Ok, so let's take this as you are genuinely curious, I could explain it, but then I would be giving away far too much to the competition, and I have to say, as someone who deals with this in my own field, I am all for helping people, but some are just looking for answers with out learning WHY things should be done a certain way. This may not be you, but I know how much time and effort I have put into what I know, and I am by no means about to hand it off to the next shlub that thinks he knows anything cuase he spent 500000 dollars on blowing up his last vehicle, all that means is he has money, not that he knows a thing.

So, while you may in fact be looking for genuine answers, which I know I can answer, along with Jan, and a few others, it may be hard for you to accept that we are not just going to give away our "secrets" cause that's what seperates the "men" from the "boys" if you will

That's why I say, if you are truely interested in learning, you have two choices, stick around, or do it your self.

Like I said before, you have much to ask that has merit. I do respect that. I think it's just coming off wrong at times.

 

Man, I tried to help Charger but some guys are just hard headed.

Now, I leave him to the tribe to do with what they want. Maybe it is the lack of performance from his pricey Dinan kit thats clouding his judgment?

Longboard

 

200% agree with you.


Just like the other day at the gym (I'm a big meathead) two young guys come over to ask "what I take and how they can get big" Took me years to learn what little that I have and now I need to wrap it up in taking a magic pill and a magic workout program.

So I understand that you master engine tuners/builder don't want to or need to teach me anything. But at the same time I didn't like the negatives towards my question or the attempt to belittle my questions with a response about post counts.

My last built car was a diesel VW. And those tuners are very selective and combative with their little tricks and tips.

peace

 

Actually, I probably have the most cost effective HP mini on this website. I've got a 10k invoice from the BMW/Dinan shop for the stage 2, gauges, short shifter kit, and aero grills. Yet I only paid slighlty more than trade in value for the fully loaded checkmate car. The Dinan parts was near zero cost to ME. Just cost me a plane ticket and a 8hr drive home.

But I agree the Dinan s2 kit is overpriced for the gains.

 

Did that just happen? Dinan and cost effective in the same sentence. For the cost of that Dinan S2 kit which is a 190whp kit is a waste of money even if you pay close to nothing for it. For 10k you could have a MINI that could out handle and out perform the Dinan and not feel like you just wasted 10k on stuff that is in the league of Palo Uber in price and performance or lack there of.

 

Yes the orginal owner spent his money on the car. I bought is used and saved thousands Like I said I paid just slightly above trade in value for a MCS. Dinan and other upgrades didn't even get factored in to the value.

 

most times mods aren't factored in to the value thats where sometimes when selling a modified car is creating a loss at the same time.

 

I agree. 10k in mods would make for a killer MCS. I would bet 10k could get me more power even using a stock pulley with better MPG???? But like I said it wasn't my money!

But there is some value to owning a Callaway, Lingerfelt, Saleen,SLP, Dinan, AMG, brabus.... getting tried and trusted parts that are installed by a dealership and under warrenty. Verse's backyard mechanic mix-n-match parts. I fully expect when i sell the MCS in a few years that the 10k invoice will be worth about 10% or 1k verse the backyard car and those parts would be negative value.

 

Hum. Thanks for the reply Jan, really appreciate it. There are a couple things that just don't get me excited about the rotrex, the biggest being I couldn't fab one up myself for low $$$. One guy on fleabay was offering a near straight trade for a refurb'd M62 for my M45.. back when it had 20k miles.

The second thing I wonder about the rotrex is the power delivery. How does it feel at 2k or 3k rpms? Rhetorical questions, don't really need an answer because....

....This is all just idle benchracing. I'm thoroughly content with the current output!

 

Hey NAMers, this thread looks a little old/off-topic, but i read through the first few pages and have a few questions...

Jan -- What ECU/software do you use to tune? Can it be re-tuned later by the end user (aka: me)? i swear there was one more but i just went blank. to be continued...

 

Forums (and the internet) are for *sharing* information, not hoarding it...right? Information asymmetry serves its purpose in many worlds. Forums serve better purposes (like sharing information, and educating each other) than "separating the men from the boys", don't you think? Come on, "stick around, or do it yourself", really? I can't speak for the founders of this forum, but does that embody the spirit of this forum to me...

People should be allowed to ask questions about without being ostracized (free speech). With the increasing central role electronics play in the automobile and their influence on the durability of the engine, don't you want to know why a tuner would do something to your car? I think there is great justification in finding answers to the questions asked. Cars are expensive. They're sensitive. No one wants to have their car die prematurely because of a bad tune (no finger pointing!).

I'm off track. I want to understand your opinion better, why, for you, do you feel entitled to decide *why* a person is interested in knowing something (or whether they are genuinely interested at all)? At this point, it seems hard to believe Charger is anything more than simply interested. And, who are we to doubt/question that? Re: "the time and effort you've put into what you know"...I'm on the internet to learn? If you're here to learn, too, then I hope you would share your knowledge with us when we ask kindly.

I'm confused. Why does "the money side" default to not sharing? This is a forum first, and a great focus-advertising-group site second. If people steal Jan's "knowledge" or edge, that he shares on NAM, so be it. The guy is having tuning parties! Tuning parties! There is more to Jan than his edge/knowledge. We go to the guys we think are knowledgeable innovators, have good reputations/experience, and are trustworthy. Sleaze/copy-cats are pretty easy to smell out. You vote with your dollars. If you don't like someone, don't support them. Jan being on the phone 24/7 makes me believe people like him. He's obviously not hurting.

I think the questions about the data/graphs/tunes...either the Q & A is open season and it's all fair game, or we shouldn't be posting the numbers/graphs at all. What good is seeing data if we can't process/analyze it in our own minds and inquire? Personally, I don't want to see data/numbers if I am not allowed to fully understand it or at least ask questions without being put out in front of the firing squad.

Is it really a big deal, on the grander scheme of things, if a tuner tells us why he tunes the way he does (thinking A/F ratio question). We're all the better for understanding (tuners included as well, if, heaven forbid we cross-fertilize each other and all learn :gasp. Even if Jan tells us everything pertaining to why he does stuff, his business isn't likely to evaporate into thin air because his competitors learned it from him. Not discounting information, remember information alone isn't going to bring in piles of cash to a Jan-competitor. Assuming someone was lurking here, quietly mining this site for Jan-isms, they'd still have to get known, want to travel like he does, and they'd have to build a reputation comparable to his (good luck)...amongst a plethora of unquantifiable variables that come into play. Good luck to that poor soul.

 

usadavidberlin, why don't you call Jan yourself and ask him these questions? You will save yourself a lot of speculation.

 

 

There is no speculation from my side. My diatribe isn't about Jan or the actual questions asked in the forum; it's about being open and asking questions about data/posts.

I had been reading this thread since the beginning (it has a killer headline). But, it got sour around page 7/8/9, when it became less about analysing/discussing the actual topic and more about criticizing Charger. It's tiresome to sift through 3 pages of that stuff when all you really care about is hearing/learning more about the tune.

For me, it's nicer when we can have normal exchange and post sincere questions/inquiries without it getting so complicated or critical of motives/background/post counts/et al.