Boyracers:

The MazdaSpeed 3 has about 275 hp from a 2.4 I4, ditto Mitsu's next EVO, the X. Many VeeDub/Audis are cranking 250 -325 hp from their 1.8 turbos. Anyone have a 250hp Turbo R56? Can a streetable, reliable GTI-eater be made at this time? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

It's definately feasible, it will definately take an ECU on this car.

The DIS makes it harder to tune (same problem w/ the MS3).

Where there's a will there's a way and many,many,many of us in the aftermarket have the will.

 

Soon, very soon!

 

You might check out this thread:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=108124
I'm sure Tim will have it closer to 300hp for the Street Tuner Challenge.

 

Alta is hinting that theirs is running 300HP...

 

there's gonna be some big numbers soon!

 

and some even bigger BANGS!!!!!

 

BOOOO REGULAR INJECTORS

 

Mister Candy man whatsa DIS?

 

Can't tell if that question was a joke or not. But I'm pretty sure he's referring to the direct injection system MINI uses.

 

Thats looks so hot and even on a Chili Red...

 

Getting close!

 

I drove my friends modded 2006 EVO yesterday and it was insanely FAST! It didn't push my eyeballs back literally but it was the most powerful car I have ever driven by far. But the whole noise - engine and exhaust - level was too high. Even at idle it was almost loud enough to set off the car alarms. At WOT, anyone within 300 yard radius could hear the car. He had the gauges on the A pillar and said when air/fuel ratio goes below 10 it is not good but at WOT who can look at the guage when the environment goes blurry and the things that are 200 yard in front of you is now only 10 yards ahead in the blink of an eye? I loved the power and acceleration but the thing I loved the most about it was ZERO torque steer.

 

Why is air fuel going below 10 not good? That just means his car is running rich (fat) Not good for making power maybe, but it's not going to hurt anything. The higher the number, the more worried you should be. If you see anything above 12.5-13 on forced induction, run away... .

 

FYI the Mazdaspeed 3 has 263 HP, not 275. Also, every one of the cars you mentioned weighs at best 400 lbs more than the MCS. The Mazdaspeed 3 tips the scales at 3153 lbs stripped. The MINI weighs around 2650 Lbs. A 500 lb weight advantage is quite a bit. Despite the 100 HP advantage the MS3 still barely clocks 0-60 under 6 seconds. (The MINI is 6.7 officially, but most of the car magazines have managed better than that. I've seen as low as 5.9 seconds, and as high as 6.4) Weight is a major component.

The Lotus Exige Cup manages a 0-60 time of 3.9 seconds with 11 HP and 100 ft/lbs of torque less than the MS3 (A full 2 seconds) Why? Because it weighs only 1800 lbs.

Having driven most of the above cars, I can tell you, I have a lot more fun in my MINI (Not talking about the Exige! That car is a monster ).

 

Hahaha, that makes sense. I don't know what he was talking about then...

 

Well, that's not actually true. Running that rich is bad for your catalytic converters, 02 sensors, and can actually INCREASE EGT's due to excess burning fuel in your exhaust. Slightly, rich is safe, sure. But, like all things there is a limit. Besides why would you run that rich, just to lose horsepower?

What kind of A/F gauge did your friend have? Did it have LED lights like this?

because these gauges are garbage

 

ahem, the Mazdaspeed3 is a 2.3L and the new GTi is a 2.0L. To answer your question, a modified R56 MINI (or R53 for that matter) is certainly capable of beating either car in the 1/4 mile or 0-60. But if you really cared about drag racing, you probably wouldn't have bought a MINI in the first place

 

He had a lighted gauge but with a dial which looked very fancy. Similar thing for the boost gauge as well.

Edit: something similar to this http://www.lancershop.com/customer/p...cat=100&page=1

 

AEM and innovate make nice widebands Need to get one on the car one of these days.

Anyway back to the topic at hand. i'm really dissapointed that fireballed is using normal injectors. You would think because of their sponsorship by bmw/mini they'd somehow be able to tune the ecu and no go standalone. Bah. Whatever, not like they sell anything to the public anyway.

 

that's nice A/F guage

Anyway, I'm curious what the "weak link" is for the R56 engine (of course I don't want to find out first hand, haha). It appears that the turbo runs out of steam before anything else. Fuel upgrades may be next. Then possibly some head/cam work. It may be some time (hopefully) before we see con rod or piston ring land failures.

 

Wait, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that Fireballed! was suppose to be making a 500+HP R56 for the STC? If so, how can they use stock injectors?

 

a very big wet shot

 

Now, That is RIDICULOUS!

 

I know with the mkV gti tuners had initial issues tuning their direct port injections system. Now they have solved those issues (kind of like what alta and unichip are doing), then installed auxillary fuel pumps, and they're beginning to max out their turbos.

This is going to be the only circumstance I'll ever say this but it's probably easier for VW owners because they have a lot of different tuners involved in development. Being a VW owner I've never even thought of such things being strung together into one sentence. When time passes I'm sure there will be more tuning options. Even ross tech/ VAG-com is developing a tool to diagnose our cars. Which for you non VW guys is probably the best think you can buy for a VAG car.

I purchased my mini with hopes that there would be a lot of tuning options. I took into account what fueling bar/psi's the fsi motored gti's are pushing and it's really crazy and I don't see us being too far behind.

On another note, high horsepower means nothing if you can't get it to the ground. Evo 60 ft. times are going to be tough to beat for the average "boy racer." Lighweight parts or weight reduction helps considerably but partnering it with cutting good 60' times and learning shift points will help more than a stage whatever turbo.