Okay, after much thought I have decided to install the CryO2 system on the intercooler. Basically there were two ways to do it...adapt the Co2 line onto the sprayer of the Alta air diverter (not the optimal spray pattern/nozzle for Co2), or customize a spray rail that would fit in that very little space.
After working out details with the CryO2 folks, they have agreed to create a special spray rail for us "S" owners. It will be available soon...group buy possibility(PM me).
I will be modifying the Alta diverter slightly...pics and details of install will be up next week

 

Cool stuff!! *

Welcome to the MCO, Bisch!!


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.... metallurgically speaking, do you anticipate any problems by spraying freezing gas on a hot intercooler?

 

I want one. Consider me very interested. Though about mounting the tank where the driver side muffler used to be (I have a Quicksilver). Do you know how long a tank will last through the smaller sprayer?

Wes

 

I'm no metallurgist, but I believe the aluminum will have the flexibility to expand/contract without detrimental effects like say..cast iron. If others have a better insight to this, please ...
I think I'll keep the Alta water sprayer as a back-up cooler. Hey, if I use both I could freeze up a good thick block of ice! Sno-cones anyone?

 

On the standard 5lb tank you should get 2-1/2 to 3+ minutes.

 

I'm no metallurgist either, but I'd be worried about the extreme temperature shifts... My concern is the metal becoming brittle. This aluminum is awfully thin stuff.

other opinions?

 

That sounds really cool be sure to let use know....I saw something about NO2 for easy 50hp, or maybe both would really work together because the innercooler dosen't do much in hot stop n go driving, but if you could chill down before you squirt the NO2 I'l bet the holeshot would be impressive :smile: I found my mini always runs strong when cold, before the innercooler can soak up the engine heat .
It should work...WS

 

>>...because the innercooler dosen't do much in hot stop n go driving...

I really hope you mean it doesn't matter if the intercooler is running optimally in stop and go as you can't put your foot to the floor anyway, right?

Madness and I are working on such a kit. Would like to use a boost sensor so it's activated by specific boost psi and not a TPS or WOT trigger like the DEI Cryo2 system uses.

Unlike the NX kit, the spray bar is not HUGE. DEI is making the 8"x4" spray bar specifically for WRX and MINIs!! It will have a down firing nozzle, not up as in most FMIC designs.

I've not heard ANY issues with regards to metalurgy.

I really like the idea of mounting the tank under the car where the old stock can was, should you be running the Quicksilver or similar single can exhaust.

And FYI, a typical 10lb bottle will give you about 3 minutes of spray, not 5 lbs. Or is Co2 denser than Nitrous??

R

 

C02 is denser than nitrous

 

DavBret
Great, I do think this would be a great option. I would not mind manual activation, if the button gave say 10 seconds of feed per press. Can anyone figure out how to tap the un-used button on the left of the wheel between station scan buttons? This way you could pre-chill things when desired . How about combining with a new small sealed battery install kit, so the space in the battery well can be used. I would think the tank could enter into this space from the left muffler location. Might could slide into a PVC pipe under the car so that swaps or charges could be done from the boot. You could end up saving weight with the battery mod combo. Do you think there is any value in the fuel chiller?

Wes

 

Like this, but the hose line will come in flat, not at 90* angle like here, so as to work with TMIC not FMIC.

R

 

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Cost???

 

I was really considering putting this in my budget for when I get my MCS, but I don't want to buy stuff. I have about 300000000000000 paintball shops that sell CO2 in the area, but I would prefer a system that you don't have to buy stuff for. I am in the process of designing a peltier system (electricity based, hence reusable), for the intercooler, airbox, supercharger, and fuel line (heat on the fuel line, to warm it up). I know alot about cooling comp systems, so it makes sense to me that a peltier system could work. I'll let you guys know how my theory pans out

 

I believe DEI retails the CryO2 setup around like $390 for the bottle and switch and wires and solenoid, and $90 for the spray bar which is 8" x 4". I think I might try out this system for evaluation as a Madness product. So it sounds like there'll be a few of us trying this stuff out. :smile:

R

 

on the install, will it be permanently attached to the intercooler, or to the underside of the bonnet?

 

it will attatch to the top of the intercooler

 

>>I was really considering putting this in my budget for when I get my MCS, but I don't want to buy stuff. I have about 300000000000000 paintball shops that sell CO2 in the area, but I would prefer a system that you don't have to buy stuff for. I am in the process of designing a peltier system (electricity based, hence reusable), for the intercooler, airbox, supercharger, and fuel line (heat on the fuel line, to warm it up). I know alot about cooling comp systems, so it makes sense to me that a peltier system could work. I'll let you guys know how my theory pans out

That wont work. Peltiers are not cooling systems. You'd need some sort of device to carry the heat away from the peltier so you might as well just have water cooling. It would be less complicated and more reliable. Plus you'd need an ungodly amount of power to keep those running. Whats a typical AMD peltier cooler 120W?

You dont want to heat your fuel, you want to cool it.

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Cheese

 

First, I come from the Chevy world, were pre-heating your fuel is better before it burns (not in the tank, after the pump). Second, say I mount a peltier designed system after the airbox (just like the Cyro system pix), and mount it with some good heat sinks and little fans on the hot side. Yes, the engine bay area would be a tad bit warmer (time for silcone hoses!), but the actual componets would not be. Like I said, work in progress. As for the power issue, I have just another old ATX PSU powering my peltier system on my comp, no significant power draw, but for an auto that uses the battery for power steering, I might want to have another battery just for the system and fans.

 

Its not going to work. If you want to start a new thread, we can discuss it further. I dont want ot hijack the new guy's thread :smile:

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Cheese