Drivetrain Why no CARB certification for MINI mods?
Why no CARB certification for MINI mods?
This is primarily a question for vendors, but maybe some others have input, too.
I'm just wondering why no one other than K&N offers intake/exhaust products that are CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved for road use in California. K&N's intake is the only product I've seen approved - even a large company like Dinan doesn't have CARB-approved products.
In doing some research for my dad, I found headers and intakes for Miatas that are approved which made me wonder why nothing for the MINI is. People have been modding Miatas for a lot longer than MINIs so I suppose there is a larger market to justify any expense required for the approval, but I don't even know what is required for approval in the first place.
I'm just wondering why no one other than K&N offers intake/exhaust products that are CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved for road use in California. K&N's intake is the only product I've seen approved - even a large company like Dinan doesn't have CARB-approved products.
In doing some research for my dad, I found headers and intakes for Miatas that are approved which made me wonder why nothing for the MINI is. People have been modding Miatas for a lot longer than MINIs so I suppose there is a larger market to justify any expense required for the approval, but I don't even know what is required for approval in the first place.
Money and time...
it takes effort and the marginal cost per product sold is pretty scary for very small markets. Sad, but true. The Alta folks have been pretty up front about thier efforts and frustrations in this area....
Matt
Matt
This has manuals, guidelines and lists of approved parts. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/aftermkt.htm
In the end many small vendors find the process onerous and expensive for the small volume of parts sold.
The Miata you choose as an example has been in production for I think 20 years or so now. There are so many on the roads that it is feasible to spread the cost of certification over a large number of parts sold. No so for a Mini, not only are there many fewer on the streets but market is much smaller for potential vendors. The cost per unit will be much greater increasing the parts cost. Factor in that CARB cert costs are up front development costs and you will find that for a small vendor the cash is not there. Yes, the end up overlooking the probable biggest market, CA, but in the long run those in CA that want the parts seem to find a way to get around the rules.
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This is primarily a question for vendors, but maybe some others have input, too.
I'm just wondering why no one other than K&N offers intake/exhaust products that are CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved for road use in California. K&N's intake is the only product I've seen approved - even a large company like Dinan doesn't have CARB-approved products.
In doing some research for my dad, I found headers and intakes for Miatas that are approved which made me wonder why nothing for the MINI is. People have been modding Miatas for a lot longer than MINIs so I suppose there is a larger market to justify any expense required for the approval, but I don't even know what is required for approval in the first place.
I'm just wondering why no one other than K&N offers intake/exhaust products that are CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved for road use in California. K&N's intake is the only product I've seen approved - even a large company like Dinan doesn't have CARB-approved products.
In doing some research for my dad, I found headers and intakes for Miatas that are approved which made me wonder why nothing for the MINI is. People have been modding Miatas for a lot longer than MINIs so I suppose there is a larger market to justify any expense required for the approval, but I don't even know what is required for approval in the first place.
I presume the parts in the JCW tuning kit are CARB approved. That may be our only legal power tuning option here in CA. But I say why start obeying the law now?
As I understand it, since Dinan sells their parts packaged as "systems" they only need to CARB cert their S1 and S2 systems saving over certing each individual part.
This is primarily a question for vendors, but maybe some others have input, too.
I'm just wondering why no one other than K&N offers intake/exhaust products that are CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved for road use in California. K&N's intake is the only product I've seen approved - even a large company like Dinan doesn't have CARB-approved products.
I'm just wondering why no one other than K&N offers intake/exhaust products that are CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved for road use in California. K&N's intake is the only product I've seen approved - even a large company like Dinan doesn't have CARB-approved products.
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