Can anyone help me out here. I have applied Epic about 4 times to 4 different cars in the past 2 weeks and every time I took the Epic off it leaves a film. I have tried different drying times to see if that was the problem but that didn't work. The drying times varied from 45min- a full 12 hours. The results are fantastic but the film really bothers me. I need to use a quick detailer on a microfiber towel to take it off, with a pretty good amount of effort. Can someone tell what I am doing wrong. I am appliying the Epic with the DP white pad at speed 4-4.5 and just the weight of the machine. Any help would be great. Thanks

 

Are you talking about when you remove the haze? Or remove it entirely?

I haven't had that problem if you're talking about removing the haze/excess. The only thing I can think of is make sure you're really shaking it up well before you use it.

If it's when you're trying to remove it entirely...I haven't done that yet. I just keep layering over it with more Epic

 

After applying the Epic I let it sit for at least 45min, then remove the Epic. When I remove all the Epic I notice a film on the whole car, so I try to remove it with a quick detailer, but I need to put some effort into the towel to try to remove it. I shake the bottle for a long time before applying it. Don't know what I am doing wrong, I really want to stick with this product because I love the results, but I need to get rid of this film.

 

The only other thing I can think of is maybe you are using too much. You should only be using about a tablespoon for the entire car.

 

not sure if this has anything to do with it but you should be using a finishing pad for epic application. Black one

 

also shake the bottle like crazy. and keep shaking it while you use it.

i havent noticed any film on mine... hummmm.... it's crystal clear when
you remove the haze.

 

No film after my removal. As above, you may be putting too much on. Think thin and cut that in half!

 

No film here. I apply Epic with the finishing pad (w9006 Meguiars) and on speed 3. Make sure to use the Swipe Test to check when it's dry. You don't need to wait 12 hours. Most of the time it's only 30 minutes to an hour for me.

As far as the recommendation to use only a tablespoon of product, that's really only for those that are hand applying. The PC pad absorbs a lot of product, and I use more than a tablespoon for an average side car.

If Epic is truly dried (has passed the swipe test), then you can easily wipe it off with a MF towel by hand without any resulting film or residue. It does sound like to me you're using too much product.

Maybe you could post some pix of what you are experiencing?

Richard

 

thanks to everyone who replied to this forum..I really appreciate the help. I detailed a Lamborghini Murcielago today and it came out great. I used M80 followed by Prima Amigo and then I took your guys advice and used very little of the Prima Epic and the car came out amazing. I will post pictures of the car when I get a chance on this forum..Let me know what you guys think. Thanks again for the replies

 

looks great!

 

any word on those pictures?? i really want to see how it came out!

 

Peter W. What pads with the m80, amigo, epic combo? Thanks

 

For the M80 I used the Meguiars yellow pad(I believe it is the 8006) and for the amigo and epic I used the Lake Country white pad. I really wanted to use the black finishing pad made by Lake Country but I dont have it yet. I will post the pics soon!!

 

sorry for the information before..I used the Meguiars yellow pad for Amigo also and Epic I used the Lake Country White pad.

 

FWIW, as a reminder, the Meguiar's Yellow W8006 pad is a polishing pad. Its' the general purpose pad for the PC, otherwise you can use the W9006 finishing pad. Amigo has almost no cutting ability, so it relies more on the pad choice, so you chose the right pad. I believe the LC Black Pad is the finishing pad which is closest to Meguiar's W9006 Finishing pad??--that's what I would have used for Epic.

 

I use the gray/black LC pad for Epic, white for Amigo, Finish and Swirl. If I need a little more muscle I will use the orange pad.

 

Seems that White = Yellow and Black = Tan and Orange = Maroon as far as Meguiar's is concerned. I'm going to have to get one of each to test out to see how it compares myself. Meguiar's doesn't recommend using the Maroon cutting pad with the PC because it has the tendency to haze up the paint finish. (Ok don't quote me on what I just posted...I better do some testing before I comment anymore)

Richard

 

I used the yellow on the Expedition and it worked well with Swirl. The white pad and Swirl was just not enough. I then changed to white and Amigo then finished with the gray/black for the Epic. I'll bet the yellow pad and Cut could do some haze.

Edit: I just went out and checked - I don't even have the Yellow pad. It was Orange. Also I checked the DP website and here is the order of abrasiveness (from least to most): Black, White, Orange and Yellow. Now I can't even keep my colours straight.

Sorry for the misinformation.
(Oh and I corrected my spelling error as well)

 

I see, I revised (appended) my post--- too many pad combinations here to try to simplify things without having first hand experience with them---going to zip my lips until I've had some experience with them.

Richard

 

OG - I'm not trying to burn you on this. Just trying to relate what I used and it may be all wrong. I'm going to defer to Heather to set the record straight.
I'm better able to deal with pads than product numbers. I can feel a pad and tell how firm or soft it is. All those meg numbers just leave me staring blankly into space. Give me colours not numbers.

 

Haha nooooo, I know you're not. I'm just realizing that I'm starting to talk out of the other end...I need to get my hands on things as well.

The only reason I'm using numbers to relate the Meguiar's pads is because the Yellow Meg pad isn't the same as the Yellow LC pad, and I think people get confused there as well. Not that the numbers are a big help either....

So yeah, maybe I should say YMeg or YM pad versus YLak or YLC, LOL

Richard

 

BTW, do you think there is any rhyme or reason behind the meg product numbers? M80, #7, W9006 - whats up with that anyway? What do they smoke in those meg backrooms?

 

thanks for the replies..Now I am really confused ..Just joking..Sounds like experience with the products is the only way to tell. Well off to do another car in a couple of hours, got to get some sleep..I will post pictures tomorrow. thanks again

 

Meguiar's has probably thousands of products. They are product numbers.

The 80's series are basically cleaner/polishes such as
M for Mirror Glaze M80, M82, M83, M84, M85
The numbers here have no sequential meaning other than when they were introduced into the line.

The 9000 series pads are the finishing pads. the 6 refers to the 6" size. Otherwise it's their 8" pad when you select 9000. I think W refers to Wooless Wonder which in the 60's I think Meguiar's introduced the foam pad as the alternative to the Wool pad that everyone else was using, thus they had the Wooless Pad.

#7 is actually known as Show Car Glaze or could be called M7 since it's also a part of the Mirror Glaze line.

The numbers have caused confusion for a lot of people, however changing the number to mean something as many have tried would thoroughly confuse those that already know the numbering system, like me!

There is a certain logic to them, as random as it seems.

But remember our highways. I can call our Santa Monica Freeway the 10 or the 405 freeway the San Diego Freeway depending on where I am. There are different ways of calling the same thing.

Richard