I need a little help. Is there any reason why these wouldn’t fit a 2018 F60 s all4? I need winter rims.

The seller suggests they will not but maybe I am missing something?

 

The specs look right. Maybe they require a ball-seat lug instead of the OEM conical lug, but, I don't know how to make that distinction. I also can't tell if they accept the OEM TPMS sensor, in case you were intending to move your OEM TPMS over to these. They look nice and rugged!

 

Thanks for the help! I don’t know what a ball seat lug is, but Borbet is an oem manufacturer for BMW and Mini amongst others so, I figure it’s the same. Thankfully in canada, no TPMS on most models here but these do take them.

They look bmw-esque.I was trying to stay with something oem but the countryman wheels are harder to find.

 

Everything looks perfect with those wheels with the exception of the width. Maybe the seller sees that they are .5" wider than the stock Countryman fitment and thinks that that, combined with the slightly higher offset (lower numerically) than stock is an issue? I like them by the way, not only because of their looks, but the fact that they will bolt on without wheel centring rings. They will fill your wheel wells just a bit more than the stock ones but shouldn't rub. I recommend test fitting them before you put the tires on.

https://www.wheel-size.com/size/mini/countryman/2018/ <-- link to my go-to site for wheel fitment
https://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator <-- link to my go-to site for offset calculations

 

There are few options in Canada (seems your also a Canuck)! Since it’s for winter, and my wife’s car, it’s extra limited since she won’t want something aggressive. These wheels are from a seller in Germany so I don’t have the option to fit them. I did write to Borbet, hopefully they can get back to me.

There is some time before winter, but not a decision I wanted to rush. I’m still trying to source something oem but this is a contingency plan.

I use willtheyfit.com. Funny it said 3mm closer to the strut. Tiny difference but funny it’s not identical.

 

Interesting, I received the below from Borbet. Great customer service. Seems like the increased offset and wheel width push the wheel out a little of TUV tolerance, which requires the wheel/tire to be completely contained in the wheel well…which can be corrected by a mud flap. That seems to be an oem development problem, doesn’t sound like my issue.

Neat document they sent (if you understand German) but it references all suitable BMW and mini models the wheel was intended to fit with different tire sizes.

***yes it will fit with a few alterations to the vehicle I have attached the german tuv approval for your information and the only problem seems to be the Kb2 rule

as follows



K2b The wheel cover on axle 2 is to be produced by extending the rear apron and the mudguard or by

by attaching permanently fastened body parts in the range 0° to 50° behind the wheel center. The entire width of the wheel/tyre combination must be covered in the above-mentioned area, taking into account the maximum possible operating dimension of the tire (1.04 times the nominal width of the tire).

covered in the above-mentioned area.

 

Basically, Borbet is saying that it will fit but you should make sure that any "poke-age" is covered per local laws and that may include wheel arch extensions or mud flaps. 10 mm (less than 1/2") is fine! :-)

 

10mm sounds ideal. Better than running spacers. Except for the fact it will put my wife 1 cm closer to the curb when parking

 

I'm so glad someone that knows what they are talking about chimed in! And, thanks for that fit calculator...

 

Check this site for a better fit calculator:
https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/

The site was linked above, but not to the size calculator. I prefer this site because it can tell you how the clearance is affected by a new rim and tire. Measure your car, add to the site, then check against your new choice. It can get you ~95% of the way there, and build confidence that your new wheel-tire combination will, or will not fit.

 

Snap! LOL.

 

When sizing wheels, keep in mind that for winter tires, where driving in snow and ice are to be expected, wide tires are not desired. Narrower width tires are better, especially if the rubber chemistry is specifically designed for cold temps. Bridgestone Blizzaks and Pirelli Ice tires represent the gold standard for winter rubber.

 

I have many Canadian winters under my belt. Michelin x-ice, Nokian Hakkapeliitta r3 and Pirelli Ice-zero are best. All well worth the investment. But a half inch doesn’t make a noticeable difference and aftermarket wheels in 7.5” width are very limited. I don’t want to ruin my oem wheels with salt, My machines wheels on the x1 were pitted after 3 seasons and it’s worse to keep mounting and dismounting runflats, so Mom needs winter boots for her car.

 

I think @kerwooddr was referring to an 8" width being suboptimal when paired with a narrower tire. I don't use narrower tires anymore as their handling is overly compromised except for the few times you need that narrower width. As you pointed out, any of the major brands make great winter tires nowadays. I was a very early adopter of winter tires before they hit the mainstream and when Nokian (then Nokia) was the recognized king of winter. Compounds are so good in tires in the OEM 225/50/18 fitment for our cars. I steer clear of the cheap brands because I know the difference between frugal and cheap. :-)

 

Correct - more of a general comment aimed to everyone. When it comes to wheel and tire sizing, where folks do see a big difference in snow and ice performance is when jumping between +1 or +2 wheel/tire sets. So if anyone is running summer tires on 20" wheels (for example), they'll see substantial change if they drop down to 18" wheels for their winter tires. The higher sidewalls on the 18" tires absorb bumps and potholes better and do give a nicer ride than the shorter/stiffer sidewalls on 20" tires, albeit with some slight decrease in dry road handling.

As for Canadian winters, plenty of experience there on my part. Most of the cars I've owned over the past forty years have gotten an undercarriage shield of some kind or another - a painful Canadian winter drove home that lesson many years ago. I just installed a Rennline Aluminum Skid Plate from ECS on my 2013 Coupé last month - https://www.ecstuning.com/b-rennline...plate/u03~rel/ . Recommended.

 

I ordered the Borbets today. Should be a month for them to arrive, and I won’t put them on till later but I will post pictures for all the help. Now to see if it’s worth getting mud flaps so I’m TUV compliant…not sure it’s the look I’m going for

 

Congratulations on getting the wheels. As for the mud flaps, I personally like the look - subtle, not ostentatious. And after several days of trekking over many unpaved roads around the White Mountains in NH, they do serve a purpose:


Front mud flaps


Rear mud flaps

If you do the install yourself, I'd highly recommend doing this with the wheels off. Installation is a bit fussy, and it's so much easier that way.

 

Thanks! It was a less exciting acquisition to be honest since they are really the winter boots. We have your wheels for summer.

The mud flaps look pretty good! I’d definitely let the dealer install them when we change over tires.

I swore I’d leave my wife’s car bone stock, but here we go slipping down the rabbit hole.

 

These arrived today. The box of bolts opened in one so there were a couple of pretty insignificant marks that resulted in 75% off for that wheel. Total landed, duty paid was under $800 us. Not sure I can complain, they are much nicer than I expected. Oem center caps fit, which I’ll change. It weights 23.3 lbs. My oem pair spokes (type 532) are 25.3 lbs each.

Now, do I keep these for summer and use the OEM for winter? Decisions decisions.

 

The question is which wheel will be easier to keep clean and also not get packed with snow and ice and cause an unacceptable vibration. I think the Borbets would be better for winter wheels given those criteria. Also, it will save you the expense of changing your summer tires over to these. They are painted (like the OE ones) so no worries about corrosion.

 

Great consideration with the snow and ice. Interestingly, I had some 5 spoke open wheel design on an old Infiniti that had terrible wheel vibration but the closed spokes of my masterpiece never seem to hold the snow. I would have figured open wheels shed snow better.

For sure saves a little to put the winter rubber straight on these.

 

Using this nice calculator, I ordered NM Eng (Neuspeed) RSe11R wheels in 18 x 8 with 45 offset for my 2019 JCW Countryman. The stock tire size works, of course (225/50/18 which are on OEM 7.5 width 51 offset rims). If I stay with stock tire size, this calculator estimates +6 mm scrub. If I bumped up to 235/50 the scrub is estimated to only be + 4 mm. Is 2 mm + scrub difference worth even thinking about? As far as that goes...is + 6 mm scrub even worth thinking about? I'm not going to be racing, but, I do like to push the cornering limits from time to time...which is easy to do on the Pirelli P7 run-flats...those things are very easy to slide around on.

Which leads me to the next question...Tires. I'm thinking of non-run-flats...I'll just keep my OEM wheels/tires for long trips when I need the space. If I get non-run-flats, I'll use one of the run-flats as my spare (just have to buy a jack and lug bolt remover).

I better get the tire sizing question figured out first, then I'll move on to picking out what specific tires to get...I have about a week to decide before the wheels come in.

Thanks for any help!

 

Those are some nice wheels, what color did you go with? The diameter is a little different at 235 so your speedometer will be a off a little. At 225 the side wall will be a less meaty, but if you are going to ditch runflats they should still be comfortable. It will certainly reduce your unsprung weight which will feel nice.

 

Thanks for your input! Glossy black...now that I have ceramic pads, I'm amazed how shiny the current wheels stay...if I had the original dusty pads, I would have gotten Satin.

Something else that just occurred to me...if I move away from run-flats, I planned to use an OEM wheel/tire as a spare. In that case, it makes sense to stick with 225/50's in order to not foul up the All4 system with a spare that is a bit larger circumference. And, as you pointed out, 225 in non-run-flats are going to be more comfortable. And, 225/50 will have less weight than 235/50. If I went 235/45, the end result is + 8 mm scrub, and a few more Revolutions per mile...I think it was 1.8% on the chart...not sure if I'm remembering that correctly.

 

Neuspeed (NM Engineering) from ECS Tuning was my final choice. 18 x 8 inch with 45 offset in gloss black. RSe11R. 225/50/18 Goodyear Exhilarates. Look good, stick out just a tad more than OEM. PLENTY of room. Probably could have gone 235/45's with no problem. Maybe next time! Oh, one of my OEM wheels, cleaned up well, fits in the rear with no problem. Have it strapped down well face-down, and use the wheel as a holder for my bike gear/shoes/etc. Now have a scissor-jack with the top that fits the cupped jack-points under the car, narrow plastic-covered 17 mm socket and ratchet...really glad how it all turned out. Oh, 175.00 rebate on the tires. Oh, one last thing, the Continental TPMS sensors I bought from ECS tuning worked just fine...no coding or other tricks required. Simply put the OEM wheels away, instructed the Tire Pressure system to recalibrate the pressures just like you do anytime you put air in the tires, and it's all working fine!


Here's something that might be interesting. This particular tire has a lot of weights on it (look at about 7 to 8 o'clock). It still had a bit of a vibration. So, I took it off and asked them to rebalance. After a few tries, they decided to simply replace the tire. Unfortunately, the new one won't be in until Monday. Good thing I still have the JCW OEM wheels with tires the same size...that was one of the reasons I didn't go to 235/45's. I wanted to have a spare that wouldn't be odd circumference for the All4 system. I put an OEM on the rear and the new rear up front where this one was. Now that I have different rear wheels on the car, it's easy to see the difference in "poke". Really happy with the new look. Can hardly wait until the new tire gets on and scrubbed in a bit, to see if there is any difference in grip in corners. The geometry, softer treadwear rating, and design suggest it will be improved. As long as they lose grip progressively, and don't suddenly "give up", it will be fine with me.