Oooh! Here's a good topic.

The M7 Cosworth packages for the Cooper.

The M7 site says: "With this new partnership comes three high-performance packages designed specifically for the MINI Cooper and MINI Cooper S."

The the package descriptions list parts that are Cooper S only (pulleys, intakes, oil catch cans, superchargers).

 

http://www.m7tuning.com/ - all their contact information is listed there if you're really interested in finding out the answer.

 

Well M7 has a throttle body that is a very nice addition to the Cooper.

I believe you can also do the cam and head, and possibly the intake manifold. Software, spark plugs... can't you also do the crank pulley? (sorry if that doesn't make sense)

 

Why would you continue to add more horsepower to the cooper when it is breaking transmissions with stock engines?

 

the new getrag trannys aren't breaking.... i belive it was just the old ZF's that were

 

Hmm... I was simply stating what's available there slugger.

 

i beg to difer

these are getrag parts

 

Minimute-hmmm interesting response.

Is there a LARGE number of broken gearboxes due to HP that you have seen? I frequent the top three biggest MINI forums and have yet to hear of THAT many considering the number of highly modified coopers there are. It seems to me like there is some other kind of problem because i have seen stock coopers with tranny problems as well.

There is a turbo'd cooper in miami who was pushing atleast 160 hp with a ZF tranny and zero problems after having it for a good amount of time.


The real topic
anyways....for people who want to get a cosworth package for their cooper. Call up peter, they offer a TB, head, cam, and MTH that would certainly work together on your cooper. Im sure he can answer your questions better than any of us.

 

Maybe it's not the tool...but how it's being miss used...just a crazy Idea...I know I know...that's could never be the case

 

Exactly... by the way.... the red line in your sig got bent...

 

had past problems breaking your tool through improper use?


i definitely agree with the fact that a gearbox is a natural wear item which will wear if you dont know what you are doing

 

I only have a CAI, and pully, but I've given my "Tool" hell for the last 2.4yrs.
This thing is solid!

 

Well I'm on my 2nd tranny/clutch--after it failed at 43,000 miles on my 2003 Cooper. Only HP upgrade I have are Intake, Exhaust, and MTH ECU. While I drive hard, I've never been hard on my tranny. While at the track yesterday, I sure could have used some more HP on the straightaways. I had no problem hitting turn 1 at 80 MPH at Streets of Willow. I'd be tempted to get some Nitrous just for track days.

But knowing that my refurb. Midlands might only last another 43,000 miles, it's kinda scary.

 

Octane, If i lived near all those canyons I'd probably be on my second tranny too!

 

I'll be calling Peter tomorrow about the M7 for my Cooper, but has anyone done it yet? Any ideas of reliability? Cosworth seems to have a great track record with other vehicles.
Jason

 

If anyone's interested, I called M7 about mods for Coopers. I am excited about the prospect of them (M7 & Johnnie's in San Pedro) doing the work to improve it. It would probably include most or all of the following: Cosworth Head, Larger Throttle Body, Intake Manifold and Cold Air Intake, Header street-modded, Exhaust, Cam, ECU Remap, and the M7 Struts/Springs.

Has anyone used any of these mods from M7 before and have any reliability issues (I don't expect any, but gotta ask.)

Considering the pricing from all of the other vendors I have checked out, everything seems to be close in price, too, so it costs no matter what.

Anyone wanna throw me $.02 before I throw $5k+ into my new baby?

And yes, it is kinda like a mid-life crisis-I survived a major motorcycle accident, so this is gonna be as close as I get to two wheels for a looong while.

 

I take it you're not concerned about warranty issues with Miniusa because of the Mods. Otherwise, I've heard nothing but good things about M7 by doing some online reading and research.

I'm going another route, it's in the JCW Sound Kit/JCM head with a few others over the next year; JCW Brakes and Suspension are my next big ticket ones.

Good luck and have fun with the new toy!

 

For the amount of money you're going to spend on all that, you could sell your car, buy a MCS, throw 1k in the bank, and another 2k on the car, and call it a day. I understand light mods to the regular MC, but to spend 5-7k on a car to increase the performance to BARELY that of the regular MCS, just doesn't make any sense.

Keep in mind, your car isn't going to sell for any more with the mods you're adding, in fact, to most people, it will deduct in the value. Buying an S (Which already hold their value a lot better) would be a more sound investment.

That being said, M7 produces quality components, as does cosworth. My understanding of the Cosworth head, at least for the MCS is that it is mainly just a port and polish job. The valves are stock, and the valve size is the same. As far as the throttle body, most say that it doesn't do much of anything until you get up into the higher HP production numbers, 230 whp+. No experiance with the M7 suspension system, but most people seem to go with H-Sport springs (similar to stock ride, but 1.2 inches lower, and slightly more progressive) with a rear sway bar to make the cars handling a bit more neutral.

 

Threads merged.

 

We need some sort of NAM-ism for a response to the "for that money, why not sell the Cooper and buy an S?" response.

 

Who's ECU upgrade, exhaust, intake, etc is M7 selling for the Cooper?

 

Seriously... in the last few weeks i've read several threads about people that want to spend $6k+ on Turbos, heads, this, that and the other thing. I don't understand why for this amount of money people don't just find an S that works for them, sell their car, and move up! It's worth more, faster, holds it's value better, and you still get to keep your warranty (Unless you go beyond the base S and start moding of course)! I understand the mod craze, but sometimes it gets a little nuts!

 

Ummm... I think you misunderstood the point of my post.

Why spend more money on a Cooper than the price difference between a Cooper and an S?

1: sleeper
2: just to **** off the MCS owners
3: we've already got the Cooper and have "bonded" with it
4: the Cooper we have might already be modded beyond the point where it can be traded in
5: just to **** off the MCS owners
6: anybody can be fast in an MCS

 

Sounds like a waste of money :-). Debadge your cooper S and you have mostly the same effect (Swap the hood if you really want a sleeper, it'd still be cheaper). I shouldn't ask you to explain the method to your madness, most people think it's crazy to spend the kind of money on mods I'm willing to spend for performance. I just don't see the point in spending 7k to boost performance by 25 HP when you could spend 9k more and get another car! :-).

 

I guess it would make sense if if I had 05-06 Cooper and then Trade up for 05-06 S, but in my case I have an 02 with 81,004 KM on it. I asked the dealer and they said they would take it for $15,000 CAD. An 05-06 S is worth between $32,000 to $35,000 CAD. You know where thats leading too... In my opinion, when the Mini first launched it would have made sense to trade up, but now, warranties are running out, cars value is starting to diminish, 2nd Gen is coming in, car loans are paid off, might not be a bad idea to mod after all.... I would rather spend 6Gs on mods then be 15 to 20Gs in dept again... well unless your rich then go nutts.

reeves35:

You have an 06 model. Get an S!