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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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Most of you are why I have a rear veiw mirror. By the way the boat pictures are wrong, if you wanted to dis you show a boat (Flat bottom or Hydro) kiteing not pictures of ships?
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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Now I'm done.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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Hey Jan at least you got it right. BOAT. You would think if these guys were to really read instead of following you they might have posted an appropriate picture.

at least they are smart enough to NOT throw on a MSD coil pack

time for bed... have to tune Mini's tomorrow
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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And I got deleted
For being a Jerk..

Can we get back to discussing why the MSD coils don't fail well on a MINI please.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
at least they are smart enough to NOT throw on a MSD coil pack
PWN3D x2. I wouldn't argue against their distributors or boxes. Hell, or their plug wires for that matter but it's not a wise investment for a MINI. Good parts for a hot street/strip car or a street only car if you want the name but not on a MINI.
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time for bed... have to tune Mini's tomorrow
Will they have an MSD on them?
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For being a Jerk..

Can we get back to discussing why the MSD coils don't fail well on a MINI please.
I think that's been covered many a time over for the OP.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:14 PM
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For being a Jerk..

Can we get back to discussing why the MSD coils don't fair well on a MINI please.


Si hombre, si

I was told to put the MSD on by a very well, long respected member and it just didn't get it done. The pinging issue i had was worse and I started to misfire. Put the stocker back on and all is good at 200whp ((no Jan tune) but wouldn't mind a Jan tune).

The last post was for my entertainment and sometimes offends people. I guess I'm a nut at heart
 

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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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For the record.

MSD makes many a fine product. Their products lots of American engines are some of the best of breed. However, there is something about their MINI product that just doesn't cut it. Maybe because it's really for the Neon engine and the OEM mounts do not work correctly and there is some sort of stray interference that is causing the tips to corrode excessively.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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Anyone have/had a Neon with one or known someone with one? Or a Mitsu for that matter and had any issues?
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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With that said, what would be the best choice of coil swap? and at what HP should it be considered?
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gnatster
For the record.

MSD makes many a fine product. Their products lots of American engines are some of the best of breed. However, there is something about their MINI product that just doesn't cut it. Maybe because it's really for the Neon engine and the OEM mounts do not work correctly and there is some sort of stray interference that is causing the tips to corrode excessively.
Well hot damn. Miracles do happen

And, yes MSD is top notch, but the Neon part, like the Nissan Sentra Magnaflow catalytic converters can be somewhat subject.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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With that said, what would be the best choice of coil swap? and at what HP should it be considered?
Uhhh...stock
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by muladesigns1
With that said, what would be the best choice of coil swap? and at what HP should it be considered?
None. Leave the OEM one on and go. There are 400+WHP MINI's with the OE coil and wire set with no issues. If the wires are shot, then do it otherwise don't mess with the ignition period.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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Wow, didnt realize they produced that much voltage. good to know, one less thing to spend money on when adding mods
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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anyway jan you have mail....
I thought the fail thing was funny.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gnatster
The MSD unit may perform better on a scope but so far we've seen lots of examples where the tips corrode. How can we all be installing them incorrectly to have the same issue? I ran mine with Kingsborne wires with dielectric grease on the tips and saw corrosion to the point of misfire codes. Swapped the OEM wires and still had the same codes. Swapped out the MSD for a stock unit and codes went away. I did clean the tips on the MSD unit with emory cloth and still would get corrosion after about 1K miles or so. Oh yeah, it doesn't rain much here either and I tend to drive the Jeep when it does.

So while it may be a technically superior unit, in practice on a MINI they have proven to be problematic. Keep the MSD stuff for your big block, just not on my MINI.
Boy your moderation isn't biased is it? And your Big Block slam Sorry who was talking about BB? The corrosion is a cause of a problem you and others should check into and its not the coil. Its a common problem easy to cure. But you can not go to a tuner for that kind of problem.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
Boy your moderation isn't biased is it? And your Big Block slam Sorry who was talking about BB? The corrosion is a cause of a problem you and others should check into and its not the coil. Its a common problem easy to cure. But you can not go to a tuner for that kind of problem.
Calling out a moderator: always a good idea. Fuel on the fire.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 10:05 PM
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Calling out a moderator: always a good idea. Fuel on the fire.
So you think mods should be exempt from being questioned? Why? Do all mods know everything?
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
Boy your moderation isn't biased is it? And your Big Block slam Sorry who was talking about BB? The corrosion is a cause of a problem you and others should check into and its not the coil. Its a common problem easy to cure. But you can not go to a tuner for that kind of problem.
Instead of going after me why not tell us how to fix the issue?
 
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gnatster
Instead of going after me why not tell us how to fix the issue?
You are right about the going after you. But the thing about the BB was a bit out of line from you. My experience goes well into many single and multi cylinder engines.
As for the possible solution this does not have to do with this thread on the MSD coil. But you asked. A couple things to consider having dealt with secondary ignition corrosion would be to check all the grounding area's and or ad some additional grounds. A solar charger that maintains a positive state of current will also help when the Mini is parked, stored or in a area of high moisture or salt. This will reduce or stop electrolysis/corrosion of secondary component's.
As far as the comments on the performance of the OEM coil working for x= hp that is correct. Except it is not the voltage but the resistance and raise time that are the benefit at high RPM levels which an OEM coil starts to fall short. If a side by side of an OEM vs MSD with both a dyno and oscilloscope sheet would clearly show. I would think that some looking for every step to get even the smallest increase in performance would investigate this? And for the smart guys it is not a neon coil. Its called (type) a 4 tower, quad pack coil or 4 terminal coil head.
 
Old Jul 11, 2008 | 11:33 PM
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For the record.

MSD makes many a fine product. Their products lots of American engines are some of the best of breed. However, there is something about their MINI product

yes I am partial to something that works very well on my MINI since 2002





 

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Old Jul 12, 2008 | 03:40 AM
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Instead of going after me why not tell us how to fix the issue?

Nitrosmini's too busy trying to justify spendng the money on his MSD

I have my 502cu. in BB Chevy and it has a full MSD system on it. Guess what it works like a champ on it. On the Mini however it doesn't work

this reminds me of the Phd's that said a car would never go 300mph in a 1/4mile. By the time they spent all of their time proving how it wasn't possible the rednecks were out doing it.

sounds familiar here too .... the sage advice here is: careful what Phd you listen too, even ones who design coils

you would be much better serving yourself getting out to the track or on a dyno to prove your point, otherwise you are a lone camper in the trailer park
 
Old Jul 12, 2008 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis

yes I am partial to something that works very well on my MINI since 2002





don't you have to drive it to prove how well it works?

I can see why you like it.... it's red
 
Old Jul 12, 2008 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
So you think mods should be exempt from being questioned? Why? Do all mods know everything?
No. It just seemed like a bit of a cheap shot to me.
 



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