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Last Thanksgiving, my MINI was hit in a parking lot. They caused $3k worth of damage. Luckily my insurance covered everything. To catch 'them' in the act, or at least show something wasn't *my* fault - if something like this ever happened again, I invested in some dash cams.
Yesterday, on the way to my kid's summer play, I get tapped on the freeway by some idiot driver. She tried to run away and evade me for 3 exits, since I followed her (hand on horn), she finally gave in and pulled over off an exit. She claimed she didn't have her registration/insurance card because she just got the car (BS), didn't have her phone on her. I got a picture of her driver's license. The rest I had on my dash cams. On the phone with insurance, turns out the car isn't her's but someone else's. The real owner was filing a claim same time as I was.
I provided the following videos as evidence of whom was at fault. Glad I had the cams. Insurance will cover everything, with no deductible. Overall the damage was minor, but not insignificant.
Videos are clipped to show only the incident (Insurance upload size is limited to 25mb per file). YouTube downgrades the quality, but the real videos are 1080p. Good enough to get a clear license plate.
Gotcha!
This went down to the primer...going to need repair.
Damage to the cap and to the rotating assembly (still works though).
Hard to see, but my new wheels with only 400 miles on them pulled paint and rubber off the offending car.
Hard to see, but my new wheels with only 400 miles on them pulled paint and rubber off the offending car.
Did you install the cameras yourself? What kind? Even though YouTube downgrades video quality, the pic still seems great. (The woman should upgrade the quality of her driving.)
The snapshot is from the actual Dash cam footage before YouTubing it. I'm happy with the resolution quality. Yup, installed myself. Pretty easy. For reference, I have Thinkware F800 Pro cameras. They're front and rear, but I installed 2 pairs with front, back, left and right.
Wow! Good thing you installed those dash cams. Hard to tell, but it looks like she’s looking down when she hits you, probably at her cell phone. I wonder what the real owners story was to their insurance. Did they try to say it was your fault, or did they already know about your cameras?
I had a co-worker almost arrested for something like this. A girl hit him at a light, denied it, and refused to get out of the car. He kept following her and she called 911 saying a guy is chasing her who threatened her, opened the door and tried to pull her out of the car. When they were all pulled over the cops were pretty rough with him and were starting to arrest him when he said he had everything on camera. Despite that, it still took a little bit of convincing to get them to even look at the footage. Things would have ended badly for him without the cams.
So far the insurance reps say that they can't get in contact with the other party. They have all the footage and pics of the damage. Hopefully it won't be a big deal to get done and taken care of. It is a hassle though.
I purposefully did not mention the cameras. I felt that to bring it up might cause an unforeseen altercation and chose to trust that vibe. She said she'd pay for my repairs (linguistically implying fault). Every word from her mouth though was a pack of lies. I work in security, intelligence, and deception detection, so these skills kicked into gear during our interaction. Later intel gathering shows she has prior criminal charges. That makes me happy in retrospect that I didn't mention the cameras or push anything further.
They're front and rear, but I installed 2 pairs with front, back, left and right.
Where did you place the L/R cameras? And did you hardwire & hide the wiring? That's what's kept me from going all-in on a 2- or 4-cam setup - I want a clean install with all cabling hidden.)
Thanks for the reminder. I keep forgetting to post on this.
I hardwired everything and hid the wiring as much as I could. Hopefully, this helps anyone get the idea of how to set things up. I probably should have documented the whole thing as I was doing it, but you know how it goes when you're in the zone and just trying to get it done.
Here's the front cam mounted to the right of the rearview mirror. The wires are hidden under the headliner, and go down the A-pillar.
This is another 'front' cam but used as a rear cam. I used a custom cut piece of plastic and industrial strength velcro to stick it to the headliner. If I were to do it again, I'd use neodymium magnets instead.
Another view of the rear cam with the hatchback lifted. Wires are under the seal.
Here is a 'rear' camera used as a driver-side left camera mounted with 3M VHB double-sided foam adhesive (comes with kit). Wire runs down behind the rear seats.
The other 'rear' camera used as a passenger-side right camera.
Under each front bucket seat, I have Cellink Battery 'B' units (for powering the cameras in parking mode). They mount with industrial strength velcro to the floor. No movement whatsoever. They are mounted inboard of the subs. Wiring runs under carpet and around subs, then under the door sill trim to the glove compartment fuse box. One battery pack per pair of cameras. Each on a separate aux fuse.
Another angle of the right camera behind the right rear passenger seat.
Another angle of the left camera behind the driver-side rear passenger seat.
Wow! Glad the damage wasn't too bad.
How much did the entire setup cost you? So far, I only have 1 dashcam (PapaGo! GoSafe 200) and its working well for me. Although, it would be nice to capture footage of the rear of the car too...
Next time you should be more hesitant to go after the person. He/she might have a concealed gun. There's lots of people with itchy trigger-fingers.
I spent about $1500 on the whole kit. Way too much money, but it is peace of mind in situations like this. Yeah, in hindsight, pursuing her probably wasn't the best idea, and I'll think twice in the future.
I do have full footage showing the hit and the subsequent running and obvious attempts to evade me. I'm not gonna push it though. What goes around, comes around.
I thought I'd start looking at the extent of the damage on the rims, so I rubbed off some of the rubber/paint from a section of the front wheel where I got swiped. It looks like I *might* have a hair-line crack. Does anyone have experience with this type of damage? I'll definitely point it out during the damage inspection. I'm not sure my insurance will cover my aftermarket wheels.
You can see a hair-line mark in the yellow circle
Running my fingernail over this line feels like there's definitely at least a scratch.
So far the insurance reps say that they can't get in contact with the other party. They have all the footage and pics of the damage. Hopefully it won't be a big deal to get done and taken care of. It is a hassle though.
I live in Massachusetts. Here, your insurance company information is on file with the Registry of Motor Vehicles. (You can not get plates without it.) As long as you can identify the car, your insurance company can go after theirs for reimbursement.
It is true that people can still let their registration or insurance lapse. Still, it pretty dramatically lowers the rate of dealing with uninsured drivers. (Such as in our neighbor to the both, New Hampshire, whose slogan “Live Free or Die” seeme to include the option to risk hurting others without appropriate precautions. We M*******s have learned keep a cautious eye on old vehicles with NH plates!)
Now back to our mutton: I recently installed a WayLens Secure 360 dash cam in my MINI. It is a near field device, meant more for recording activity around a car than on the road, but it is also appropriate for sideswipe situations like yours. It also uses Doppler radar to detect motion when parked, and can run that way for a couple weeks before it shuts down to prevent draining a car battery too much. Generally smart design.
The Secure 360 works by using a super fisheye lens pointed straight up, and a square sensor. The onboard hardware does polar to Cartesian mapping to turn it into an HD widescreen image split into two halves, front and back. There is some quality loss in the conversion compared to a conventional camera but it’s still quite good. Having a single device capture all directions is kinda great.
it also does a neat trick using its phone app. When playing back video, you can switch from the stacked 360 coverage to a full screen single direction image which you can drag with your finger to look around the 360 hemisphere! It’s freaking cool. Sort of like digital zoom for any direction you want.
The one drawback is in the nature of modern car design: very limited rear coverage due to the tiny freaking rear windows that have been in vogue for the past decade or so. The rear hatch really takes a bite out of the image. :( I’m thinking about moving my old dash cam to the rear to provide some extra coverage.
In any case my first few weeks with this product have been great. I’ve ordered a second for my spouse’s Countryman, which has had two parking lot incidents in the past two years at our local supermarket. One was hit and run, unattended, with no evidence; we ate the deductible and rate hike for $2000 of body work. Then again this year, but she was rear ended for the sin of stopping for a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Over $2500 there, but the other guy’s insurance covered it.
Next time some random jerk does a hit and run in the parking lot, I’m going to give the insurance company enough information to chase them down and screw their rates instead of mine
I thought I'd start looking at the extent of the damage on the rims, so I rubbed off some of the rubber/paint from a section of the front wheel where I got swiped. It looks like I *might* have a hair-line crack. Does anyone have experience with this type of damage? I'll definitely point it out during the damage inspection. I'm not sure my insurance will cover my aftermarket wheels.
You can see a hair-line mark in the yellow circle
Running my fingernail over this line feels like there's definitely at least a scratch.
if you are going after someone else’s insurance you can and should claim EVERYTHING that was damaged.
Your comprehensive policy may exclude such things if you claim against your own. That exclusion doesn’t apply to other people when you make a claim against them. Their insurance company will be delighted if you don’t claim all your damages though
that said, from the photo that looks like a scratch, not a crack. But ask a mechanic with some experience with wheels for their evaluation. Us people on the internet are notoriously unreliable
i took ignition switched power from the line leading to the cigarette lighter from the fuse box; always on from the master hot input to the fuse box using a ring connector; and ground to a factory ground point under the passenger side floor sill trim panel.
F-series trim is a dream to work with compared to R-series. So much easier to pull and replace trim panels! Many fewer fasteners, just more clips, and it makes a big difference!
Nice set up.
Sorry to hear some *** clipped you! How did she manage that anyways?! I'd have been furious.
I have a dashcam front and rear on my S4 but not my other cars. I should though. Your kit picked up her license plate as she passed! That's amazing!
Nice set up.
Sorry to hear some *** clipped you! How did she manage that anyways?! I'd have been furious.
I have a dashcam front and rear on my S4 but not my other cars. I should though. Your kit picked up her license plate as she passed! That's amazing!
The full footage shows she just wandered into my lane. She didn't have a blinker on (but a lot of drivers in MA don't seem to use them consistently). I played back the footage from the side camera, and you can see she was not looking forward, but looking downward towards the instrument cluster or possibly a phone, but it is unclear as to whether or not there was a phone from the scrubbing video.
Appt. with damage assessor tomorrow. We'll see how it goes.
from the photo that looks like a scratch, not a crack. But ask a mechanic with some experience with wheels for their evaluation. Us people on the internet are notoriously unreliable
Insurance adjuster called me and said the other party is claiming they weren't at fault and that I was. My Insurance adjuster forwarded my uploaded videos to the other party's adjuster (same insurance co.), and they reviewed the footage. It is clear that I am not at fault, and the other party is. Of course she would try to get out of it. Ahh...the smell of sweet victory it must have been for the adjuster..."Oh, it wasn't your fault? Well, unbeknownst to you, the other party had dash cameras installed which happened to capture the whole thing on camera...looks like it indeed was you. Have a nice day."
Insurance adjuster called me and said the other party is claiming they weren't at fault and that I was. My Insurance adjuster forwarded my uploaded videos to the other party's adjuster (same insurance co.), and they reviewed the footage. It is clear that I am not at fault, and the other party is. Of course she would try to get out of it. Ahh...the smell of sweet victory it must have been for the adjuster..."Oh, it wasn't your fault? Well, unbeknownst to you, the other party had dash cameras installed which happened to capture the whole thing on camera...looks like it indeed was you. Have a nice day."
LOL. I made a fraudulent claim go away that way once. Upstairs neighbors in an apartment house, with whom we shared a two-car driveway, got pissy about me actually using the driveway. I got a call from my insurance company about a claim for door damage. I went home, took a photo of our intact cars next to each other, got it developed and printed at one of those quick labs, and mailed it to my agent. Problem quietly went away.
(Back when photos were on film and we sent them by mail… Who else remembers photo labs? )
Can you share how you have things wired for power? I have an SE and the 12v socket stays on while charging. This is both good and bad, the dashcam now runs for 12+ hrs inside my garage which is going to burn up the microSD card sooner than it should. Ideally I would hardwire it via switched ignition power.